I mean, if this is just in regard to something that it eats then you could just have a specialized protease that breaks it down.

And then either the outer portions of its body that come in contact with cellulase just become sacrificial epidermis, callous, or mucus layer.

Thing is though I imagine there's other better stuff for it to eat

I mean you could make an antibody that attaches at binding sites on cellulase to neutralize it, but there's probably a better way.

This brings up if the red tissue is actually segmented initially in their lineage, I know that it does appear to become segmented later on.


I like the idea of them having just a string of ganglia down their length that then Branch out to control different particular parts, possibly having this derive from sense of touch initially.


I'd say that having a ganglion specific for Wing control makes the most sense, rather than just for the bat winged varieties.


Having these ganglions secondarily become larger and more brain-like growths along their length based on where their primary mode of sense occurs, makes a lot of sense to me.

You could also have each eye get a single ganglia for processing the input, and then have those feet into a long cord beneath them which is non-segmented and that length would be the thing that actually creates an image and processes what the organism needs to do in response to the stimulus.

I honestly wonder how such extreme dimorphism between the bull and neotenic males could remain viable during genetic mixing, you'd probably end up with scrawny bulls that never make it beyond their teenage development or something.

What would the resultant females be, too?
They seem sorta specialized enough that mixing could also result in a weaker hybrid.

You could probably pull off your idea without hybridizing or mixing the species, just doing a more conventional R/P/S like what's found on earth. The bobbysoxer by itself could pull this off, and given the females lose their tusks you could make males that mimic females to infiltrate harems, monogamous weak tusked males, and harem forming strong tusked males your game.

Giving them behaviors that woo the ladies, and also childrearing aid, would make this even better since that would mean the mimics can woo while in the harem, females would be happy with the weak tusk males that help with the kids, and the harem males are just... the usual.

Ah, the space was removed

I don't really see much reason to add some unique way of swallowing, like was originally said in the description it's fully capable of moving the tip of its proboscis in the way that standard sauce backs can. If that's how all the others swallow, then that's how this one is going to swallow too.

I guess if you wanted to introduce a serpentine motion to it, you could make it swallow hard shelled things and crack it like a snake crushing an egg in its neck.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1.../rsif.2017.0224

I guess that's possibly more giant insect than bird in it's wing movement.

But also not necessarily difficult to give them a splayed stance if flight is to be their main locomotion.

Honestly limbs should be able to twist, like just as a standard motion.

Nice.



The grashof loop could be tough sinew which really could attach wherever you want if muscle wouldn't work. Or even an intense ring of fascia. Fascia would be even easier since that just gets everywhere.

Edit: looks like I had already suggested that

Added sentence about trichomes

I figure heliothermy specifies more, compared to ectothermic fungus on a log vs ectothermic lizard sun basking

Ah I won't change the size, don't see much reason to since islands are in fact included.

Make sure to say groove rather than grove when referring to the tusk channel

Would it not be easier to just remove the tundra from the habitat?

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?:y
Art clear?:y
Gen number?:y
All limbs shown?:y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?:y
Realistic additions?:y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?:y
Creator?:y

Ancestor:
Listed?:y
What changes?:
External?: trichome whiskers,
Internal?:
Behavioral/Mental?: "a female Murky Trolrmus will begin to rapidly vibrate her throat." PLEASE ELABORATE HOW THIS IS DONE WITHOUT A TRACHEA IN THEIR THROAT, OR STATE WHERE THE THROAT IS, water life, parthenogenesis
Are Changes Realistic?: maybe
New Genus Needed?: y

Habitat:
Type?: 1
Flavor?: 1
Connected?: 1
Wildcard?:

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Within range?: y
Exception?: THESE ARE REALLY BIG FOR A POOL IN A CAVE

Support:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Transition Rule?:
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: added parthenogenesis
Other?:

Description:
Length?: good
Capitalized correctly?: y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: split
Other?:

Opinion: Pending, please elaborate how the throat is vibrated

this is WIP won't review

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?:y
Art clear?:y
Gen number?:y
All limbs shown?:y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?:y
Realistic additions?:y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?:y
Creator?:y

Ancestor:
Listed?:y
What changes?:
External?: dark pigmentation, hollow trichomes,
Internal?:
Behavioral/Mental?: no longer cannibal, ambush predator, short pursuit predator
Are Changes Realistic?: yes
New Genus Needed?: y

Habitat:
Type?: 2
Flavor?: 2
Connected?: y
Wildcard?:

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Within range?: y
Exception?:

Support:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Transition Rule?:
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?:
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Does It Fit Habitat?:y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:
Other?:

Description:
Length?: good
Capitalized correctly?: y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: split
Other?:

Opinion: Approved

"While it is just as capable of raising the proboscis to check a potential concern or interest, it is well protected and easily camouflaged by its rock-like sauce-shell, leaving it little to be concerned about on land"

it is fully capable

That's interesting to consider, and would probably extend to plents as well.

These can lift their proboscis, so if they needed to rely on gravity like a bird they still can. Which makes me wonder if they could just stuff prey back into their throat while hunting, then when done lift up to swallow it all at once.

I don't think need is something to base a pending on personally, if it weren't to be done kind of keystone species would it pass?

There are nonmammals that can swallow without gravity.
(Crocodilians, an archosaur example)

But that does bring to consideration what is the soft tissue structure inside the proboscis of Saucebacks.

Most animals are rather small, which leads to fewer diverse examples of throats and proboscis unfortunately.

-birds, because of their beaks perhaps, lack peristalsis in their swallowing -

I guess if these things hover, or move very slowly they'd be able to pull it off.

But, really that would have to be pretty slow. If there was a means for water to escape toward the back end or underneath or something then maybe they can move faster? They would certainly be able to pull off filtering out more water and one go as opposed to repeatedly having to fill their mouth and then spit the water out.

So this would be existing in both open ocean as well as Continental shelves, the digging filterpede had listed some particulars, should that be done here as well?

Ah, given their ears are still erect and seem capable of "looking around" via echolocation, assuming the clicking isn't dampened by the direction of the mouth, it makes sense that they would remain rather slack unless disturbed.

I doubt the ground would matter too much regarding echolocation...

Cool

Approved again

It was brought up that maybe saying the proboscis is dangling from the body suggests lack of use for sending their environment during those times.

Maybe saying that holding it in a lowered position unless necessary is the most typical stance when on land?

It's more words but it's also more clarifying.