That's weird. Did it get spread by something?

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 18 2022, 07:44 PM)

QUOTE it will prove to be a persistent obstacle to dorite's upcoming grass-like orbion. Would it help if I created some kind of disease, parasite, or pest to weaken the grass-like orbion and allow for potential coexistence, or would that be too much metagaming at this point? I do recall a comparable, real-life ecological example of seaweed in rock pools with mollusk predators where one fast-growing species would quickly outcompete the others in predator-free environment. Only when predators are around can the full diversity be maintained.

I would rather my already-submitted species not have the soil taken out from under it and my plans destroyed by someone deciding a different lineage is more important than it, thanks.

I think we should not be needing to come up with reasons not to include species when this is blatant metagaming already. Species can be excluded at random just by saying those that did spread got very very lucky.

http://sagan4.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=1106 <- kurtback for reference

My main issue apart from superspreading being kinda absurd is that it's adding all of these things to the small private ecosystem of maineiac potentially delegitimizing the efforts of people like me and buff who have done a lot of work on the ecosystem. This is a problem in other areas, but like, at least the supercontinent can take the hit. Maineiac cannot. Imagine going back in time and unleashing hogs into australia some 50 million years ago; this is exactly what the ark-crafting phlyer is doing. It's a small ecosystem without the competitive strength to deal with these newcomers, which arrived retroactively in its infancy.

It appears that you have turned a shrew into a bearhog plent.

For the sake of having a record on the forum, as I mentioned in dms the description and art contradict one another; a pig-like snout like the ancestor would be more like this shape


see this close-up of the ancestor's face


Notably, my intent with the quillmow was to move away from the default shrew nose a little. Note how the nostrils are very large, the nose not super defined from the surrounding snout, and the lips are also bare.

Could be pheromonal cues. No pheromones from others in environment = parthenogenesis.

looks like your formatting broke there, it's hard to see where quotes start and end

They could just also be capable of pathenogenesis, producing fertilized eggs directly that are either clones or self-fertilized

How does a gamete become a clone when it only has half the dna?

You are potentially delegitimizing the ecosystem that was made before you ever joined. I think that this "superspreader" can only do harm and I'm starting to think they should actually be banned for retroactive submissions.

Do not add any species that are already extant, that is what evolving and spreading them in the modern time when continuity errors are not a factor is for. If it can be done today, do not fucking do it retroactively!

Apparently nobody noticed that kitshroxes figured out how to make knives out of bones. So many meme opportunities missed.

Fixed.

Most shrogs have fringed forelimbs - I haven't called attention to it in the text, but it's a little clade identifier that I try to remember to include in most species.

I've tweaked it

Often, my plants have short descriptions.

I don't think it can control it, no.

Pambion (Slenderpropagum parapambu)
Creator: Disgustedorite
Ancestor: Repeating Treebion
Habitat: Maineiac Temperate Riparian, Maineiac Montane Riparian, Maineiac Mudflat, Maineiac Marsh, Maineiac Palus, Maineiac Temperate Mangal
Size: 30 meters tall
Support: Cell Wall (Cellulose), Woody Trunk
Diet: Photosynthesis
Respiration: ?
Thermoregulation: Ectotherm
Reproduction: Sexual (Spores), Asexual (Budding)

The pambion split from its ancestor. It is shorter, narrower, and can grow considerably faster (reaching full size in only around a decade), at the cost of durability. It has notably gained the ability to bud from its roots, forming clonal colonies. It lives mostly in wetlands and floodplains, and unless it has a colony to support it, it is commonly tilted due to the soft, unstable substrate. It generally colonizes a bare patch of wetland before slower-growing trees but does not compete with them very well for space, making it very rare or absent in old growth.

The pambion has gained sexual reproduction. It produces both small, unprotected and large, shelled spores, and the small spores enter the large ones to fertilize them. This increases its genetic diversity and therefore makes it more healthy and successful as a species.

Auger-Prongion (Tetracaulophorus helix)
Creator: Disgustedorite
Ancestor: Four-Prongion
Habitat: Lamarck Temperate Woodland, Lamarck Temperate Rainforest, Lamarck Subtropical Rainforest, Lamarck Highboreal, Lamarck Rocky, Maineiac Bush, Maineiac Temperate Woodland, Clayren Temperate Rainforest Archipelago, Ittiz Temperate Rainforest Archipelago
Size: 20 meters tall
Support: Cell Wall (Cellulose), Woody Trunk
Diet: Photosynthesis
Respiration: ?
Thermoregulation: Ectotherm
Reproduction: Sexual and Asexual (Hardy Spores)

The auger-prongion split from its ancestor. All four prongs wind around an imaginary axis which is centered through the trunk somewhat like an auger. Now all the leaves get more sunlight, allowing it to photosynthesize more efficiently. When a prong snaps, it regrows into the same curved shape, though it may fork in the process and create a tangle.

Like its ancestor, the auger-prongion can take around 30 years to reach full size and can live for centuries. It rarely reaches full size in the shrublands, except when it happens to be near water, due to periodic fire. It can support small fauna in its prongs, but they will snap if anything too heavy--say, bigger than a large dog--tries to climb. It produces both sexual and asexual spores, which are dispersed by wind allowing it to populate nearby islands.

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Is basically plagiarizing the first 3 sentences of the auger plent too much? I've seen people just paste parts of other species' descriptions before (including mine), but not usually for this much of the text.

I've been working with the assumption that ovi's gossalizards are endotherms. It makes sense for them to be at this stage.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 14 2022, 11:31 AM)

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 14 2022, 10:20 AM) Don't juvenile trees exist? That's a good point, although I am uncertain whether they would make berries. Only the berries are relevant for the sake of this question on spreading. Theoretically, if Arid Ferine berries are only a small portion of its diet, the chances it would spread it to new habitats are lower. Admittedly, if Arid Ferines drop their berries to the ground, and Turquoise-Helmed Lizalopes eat those, it could bypass the issue, provided the seeds can still germinate.

Unless the tree grows up in only one year or something, it should produce berries as a juvenile, like most real life trees.

Don't juvenile trees exist?

Might I suggest, when writing meta into descriptions, that you do less making it sound like a recent awesome big deal that this organism is around and instead have an explanation/justification as to why the organism went unnoticed in-universe? I try to do that so that someone reading Sagan through chronologically won't be confused, given how many millions of years passed since relevant events.

The ooze itself should be the main focus of the image.

It's a vague dark upperside. Lots of animals have that.

It needs enough zap to be able to deter the big predators.

yes it is

https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Camoback