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As mentioned on Discord, this is a delightful creature. I especially like the design of the flippers.

I like the coloring, pattern, and scales. I'll have to get back to the rest later.

So uh...is this good to go?.....

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 27 2022, 04:02 PM)

So uh...is this good to go?.....

No?.....

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: Y
Creator?: Y

Ancestor:
Listed?:
What changes?:

• External?: Increased scales, Pink displays
• Internal?: Toxin Immunity, Front flipper bones,
• Behavioral/Mental?:

Are Changes Realistic?:
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Y (Done)

Habitat:
Type?: 2
Flavor?: 2
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: N/A

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Within range?: Y Double
Exception?: N/A

Support:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: N/A
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: I don't think this can eat cellulosebanes

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Good
Capitalized correctly?:No
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Replace
Other?:

Opinion: Pending (see above)

"Even with things like the chemicals being produced by the cellulosebanes, the Scaly Mushveli’s immune system reacts almost immediately and quickly neutralizes the toxins before they can take effect."

I had mentioned how it has developed the ability to neutralize the toxins of cellulosebanes before it can take effect, is that not enough?...

You realize that cellulase is a digestive enzyme that their immune system cant really do anything against, right?

Though, it should mainly be a problem for tooth wear. Mucus should already be protecting the inside of the gut.

I mean you could make an antibody that attaches at binding sites on cellulase to neutralize it, but there's probably a better way.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Jan 11 2023, 03:53 PM)

You realize that cellulase is a digestive enzyme that their immune system cant really do anything against, right? Though, it should mainly be a problem for tooth wear. Mucus should already be protecting the inside of the gut.

You saying organisms do not develop adaptations to deal with cellulase? For example, colds suggestion of an antibody that binds to the cellulase seems pretty sound. What would stop this from working?

This post has been edited by OviraptorFan: Jan 11 2023, 01:06 PM

I mean, if this is just in regard to something that it eats then you could just have a specialized protease that breaks it down.

And then either the outer portions of its body that come in contact with cellulase just become sacrificial epidermis, callous, or mucus layer.

Thing is though I imagine there's other better stuff for it to eat

This post has been edited by colddigger: Jan 11 2023, 06:31 PM

QUOTE (colddigger @ Jan 11 2023, 10:29 PM)

I mean, if this is just in regard to something that it eats then you could just have a specialized protease that breaks it down. And then either the outer portions of its body that come in contact with cellulase just become sacrificial epidermis, callous, or mucus layer. Thing is though I imagine there's other better stuff for it to eat

I do like this idea, as well as your suggestion on discord.

QUOTE

You could use antibodies that attach to and deactivate the enzyme, but like I had said there are probably better ways to deal with it.

What do the rest of you think?

Honestly antibodies is probably the weakest of all the directions that I've suggested, because that would be mainly a response to the stuff getting into the blood while anytime prior such as just sitting in the digestive system or even getting on the teeth or face it can do damage without the antibodies actually coming into action.


The callus scene, which would involve lignin, is probably your strongest option because you would be thickening the epidermis which means it would no longer be quite as important whether or not it takes damage, as well as the lignin inside it would be acting as a binding site for the enzymes to prevent further breakdown.

QUOTE (colddigger @ Feb 2 2023, 04:12 PM)

Honestly antibodies is probably the weakest of all the directions that I've suggested, because that would be mainly a response to the stuff getting into the blood while anytime prior such as just sitting in the digestive system or even getting on the teeth or face it can do damage without the antibodies actually coming into action. The callus scene, which would involve lignin, is probably your strongest option because you would be thickening the epidermis which means it would no longer be quite as important whether or not it takes damage, as well as the lignin inside it would be acting as a binding site for the enzymes to prevent further breakdown.

I do like that idea, but i wonder how exactly that should be incorperated into the description....

Any updates on this?

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Feb 8 2023, 06:04 AM)

Any updates on this?

I have been asking for opinions on the potential options cold has proposed, but no one is saying anything. So I can't really do anything myself because I'm getting no real feedback...