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Worked on a little bit via Discord.

Diet: Electrosynthesis (Thermoelectric)
Respiration: Anaerobic (Sulfur)

And added part about Thermoplasts.

Hm.

Maybe I misunderstood, I had thought the thermoplasts were a functional part inside a single cell member of the colony.

Making them a specialist cell within the colony may change their function.

But it does lead to an interesting potential for the colony, since you're wanting to make a seebeck generator out of cells that conventiently have plates of metal in their membranes.

If it has not already been mentioned in the description, I would suggest just clarifying that the inside chamber where the free floating thermoplasts are located is quite well sealed from the outside to prevent infections or foreign bodies from getting in.


I would also consider stating explicitly a means for thermoplasts to enter that chamber, for example having cells that reach a certain age and then there mitochondria shift in structure to form thermoplasts, this could be achieved by mitochondria just kind of breaking down into smaller objects that then are freely released into the cavity upon the cell's death.

Alternatively just having a particular cast that buds off of the main layers and fairly immediately dies after forming thermoplasts in order to release them into the central cavity. Both of these allow for greater cell diversity in The colony kind of comparable to blue green algae.

Although if you just wanted the cells to release the thermoplasts into the cavity on their own, without any particular caste system, should be able to work..


Just two thoughts on it,
The concept itself doesn't have anything wrong with it from as far as I can tell, if someone wants to do a review on the submission that would be cool.

QUOTE (colddigger @ Mar 23 2023, 09:23 PM)

If it has not already been mentioned in the description, I would suggest just clarifying that the inside chamber where the free floating thermoplasts are located is quite well sealed from the outside to prevent infections or foreign bodies from getting in. I would also consider stating explicitly a means for thermoplasts to enter that chamber, for example having cells that reach a certain age and then there mitochondria shift in structure to form thermoplasts, this could be achieved by mitochondria just kind of breaking down into smaller objects that then are freely released into the cavity upon the cell's death. Alternatively just having a particular cast that buds off of the main layers and fairly immediately dies after forming thermoplasts in order to release them into the central cavity. Both of these allow for greater cell diversity in The colony kind of comparable to blue green algae. Although if you just wanted the cells to release the thermoplasts into the cavity on their own, without any particular caste system, should be able to work.. Just two thoughts on it, The concept itself doesn't have anything wrong with it from as far as I can tell, if someone wants to do a review on the submission that would be cool.

Made adjustments.
Mentioned cave systems as sealed off. (Other than the nutrients from vents of course)

And mentioned the mitochondria becoming free-floating thermoplasts on the cell’s death.

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?:y
Art clear?:y
Gen number?:y
All limbs shown?:y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?:y
Realistic additions?:y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?:y
Creator?:y

Ancestor:
Listed?:y SHOULD BE OCTOTHERMAS (Copperhead lineage)
What changes?:
External?: copper deposits focused on single face of cell
Internal?: development of nanofilaments for electron harvesting, transformation of mitochondria into free floating particles upon cell death to further function in the colony.
Behavioral/Mental?: colonial cavity formation, thermoplast formation, spore formation
Are Changes Realistic?: y
New Genus Needed?: Y, NANOFILAMENTS AND THERMOPLAST PROTEINS

Habitat:
Type?:1
Flavor?:1
Connected?: ......Are they? only one
Wildcard?:

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Within range?: y
Exception?:

Support:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Transition Rule?: EXCEPTION, lithovore aspect shifted to respiration
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Respiration shifted from diet
Other?: this shift is based off the use of sulfur as an electron acceptor durng respiration

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: elaborated
Other?:

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: addition of spores
Other?: I THINK ADDITION OF CELLULAR CONJUGATION, or some other form of genetic exchange during times of famine, possibly to contribute to the formation of spores, could be good. Though I don't think it absolutely necessary.

Description:
Length?: somewhat short
Capitalized correctly?:
Replace/Split from ancestor?: split
Other?:

Opinion: Pending, I think the ancestor should list the genus group with the lineage choice in parenthesis when put on the wiki. Approved

@HethrJarrod

This post has been edited by colddigger: Mar 29 2023, 07:09 PM

Revised for conciseness and readability...

Changed how ancestor was listed.
Took into account ideas about process

"The coppertop cell begins its life as a endospore, made inside of its parent cell. This endospore helps transfer free electrons from the copper infused cell wall to mitochondria in the cell. When the adult cell dies, the spores are released into the colonial chamber.

Along the outside of the Endospore are nanofilaments which are coated in an insulation protein, free-floating in the colony chamber, upon exiting the parent cell.
The thermal conductivity between the components in a Endospore drastically differs from each other. An insulation protein then latches onto it after a position shift in one of its components in order to prevent that component from losing its temperature as quickly as the rest. These nanofilaments passively gather free electrons from Coppertops located at the bottom of the colonial chamber, where it is warmer. Once the Endospore is coated with this insulating protein it becomes a Thermoplast.

The Thermoplasts then move to the cold side of the Coppertop colony, releasing excess electric charge generated by the heat to the copper infused cell wall belonging to Coppertops at the top of the colonial chamber, and the spores located there. When the nanofilaments brush along the cell walls, they not only exchange free electrons, but lose the coat of insulating protein as well. They will then go back to the bottom of the colony chamber to pick up more free electrons and insulating protein there. Eventually, the Thermoplasts lose their protective protein coating, and become sessile adults, adhering to the walls of the colony chamber, and beginning production of their own endospores."



The coppertop cell begins its life as a endospore, made inside of its parent cell. This endospore helps transfer free electrons from the copper infused cell wall to mitochondria in the cell via conductive nanofilaments that cover its spore coat. When the adult cell dies, the spores are released to be free floating particles into the colonial chamber. During this release period two layers of protective protein, acting as extra insulaton from the heat as well as together having thermoelectric properties, are added to the endospores to cover them and their nanofilaments. The nanofilaments becoming sandwiched between the layers

Along the outside of the endospore are nanofilaments which are coated in an insulation protein, free-floating in the colony chamber, upon exiting the parent cell.
The thermal conductivity between the components in a Endospore drastically differs from each other. Although the entire colony is rather hot due to proximity to hydrothermal vents, there is still a "warm" and "cool" side to the hollow inside the colony, this gradient in temperature only increasing in age and size of the group. While the free-floating endospores (now able to play the role of the metabolically dormant caste "thermoplast" in the colony) spends time on the hot side of the chamber in contact with the tiny copper plates of active cells the outer layer of thermoelectric proteins will quickly rise in temperature, while the inner layer heats up more slowly due to having a higher "specific heat capacity". The structure of the outer protein layer will shift at a particular temperature, which in turn makes attachment points available. A third, and quite stable, insulation protein then latches onto it after a position shift in one of its components the outer layer of the free-floating endospore in order to prevent that component from losing its temperature as quickly as the rest. These nanofilaments passively gather free electrons from Coppertops located at the bottom of the colonial chamber, where it is warmer. Once the Endospore is coated with this insulating protein it becomes a functioning Thermoplast.

The Thermoplasts then move to the cold side of the Coppertop colony, releasing excess electric charge generated by the heat flow of heat between the two protein layers via the Seebeck Effect. The electric charge created across this temperature gradient is transferred by the conductive nanofilaments between the two layers to the copper infused cell wall belonging to Coppertops at the top cold side of the colonial chamber, and the spores located there. When the nanofilaments brush along the cell walls, they not only exchange free electrons, but lose the coat of insulating protein as well as they cool down and their proteins shift in structure again, the temperature gradient disappearing. . Due to Brownian Movement they will then go back to the bottom hot side of the colony chamber to regain a temperature gradient, pick up more free electrons and insulating protein there. Eventually, the Thermoplasts lose their protective protein coating, and become sessile adults, adhering to the walls of the colony chamber, and beginning production of their own endospores.

This is my input, I thought you were intending for the thermoplasts to be seebeck generators themselves, creating temperature gradients within themselves for electricity, rather than becoming charged and then discharging elsewhere.

If that were the case it would just be a battery.

I would also state that the cells that are receiving this energy are producing some form of food molecule that they then share with the rest of the colony. Otherwise this system doesn't work well.





Alternatively, and it changes things, you could just have the living cells on the cold side of the chamber, the hot side being dead cells and bare rock. Which would be eaten away from acids released by the living cells.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Mar 28 2023, 08:30 PM

"Dormant Spores (Worldwide ocean)"

This is not a valid biome to put a species in.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Mar 29 2023, 01:37 PM)

"Dormant Spores (Worldwide ocean)" This is not a valid biome to put a species in.

Fixed. Just Otter Vents now.

"The coppertop cell begins its life as a endospore"

an endospore

"cover them and their nanofilaments. The nanofilaments becoming sandwiched "


I think replace the period with a semi colon ;


"The thermal conductivity between the components in a Endospore drastically"

an endospore

"but lose the coat of insulating protein as well as they cool down and their proteins shift in structure again"

just "as"




"Due to Brownian Movement they will then go back to the bottom hot side of the colony chamber "



just "hot side" they're not always going to be up and down

The dispersal section needs to be edited, since rhodix events is no longer considered one of the habitats.

I also think that there should be mention of how a single cell is able to create a new colony. This could be as simple as stating that in the open Waters due to temperature the spores have a tendency of forming small clumps, and once these clumps are settled they are able to use their spore coats as an initial energy source in order to power themselves until the formation of their first chamber.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Mar 29 2023, 06:19 PM

Okay, unless anyone else see something wrong with it I think of this thing is worth approving.

Seconded approval.