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This does look much better, yeah

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Feb 1 2021, 12:29 PM)

Is this a suitable sketch for a re-draw of the Greencrest? It's meant to have a greatly elongated body outside of its shell. (something like a shipworm) Its pattern of stripes, which help it blend in with the faint stripes/color gradations of the Gomboc Roj's shell, could be mistaken for segmentation at first glance. As for the Bloodbee...a description clarification that the pink end is the mouth is the only thing needed. I think I originally didn't know Xenobees (non-genus-group at the time) all flew with their rumps first.

Alright @Coolsteph! Both dorite and 1g1 thinks the new greencrest design looks better!

Don't know if it's a misinterpretation (if it isn't then an answer would help prevent me from making one).



How many phalanges does each tileback toe have? It looks from the skeleton like 3 on the front and 2 on the back?

Also, their mouths vary a bit, is it hard like a turtle beak? Do they have iguana like teeth in their gums? Do they have lips? what's going on in the food stuffing region?

This post has been edited by Jarlaxle: Feb 5 2023, 06:56 PM

I made that a long time ago, when I didn't pay as much attention to skeletal details. Even when I made it, I had no idea of the anatomical function of the "ghost bone", which is some kind of clavicle/fused sternum. I think I put it there because it looked weird to keep that spot empty.
I think I assumed the legs were like elephant feet, and the toe bones rested on a cushion of fatty tissue.
I think I didn't know how to make the jaws work with an eye in the way of the cheekbones.
This was probably made with a vague recollection of dinosaur and amphibian skeletons (frogs don't have ribs), and perhaps a dash of horse skeleton.
It eats crystalflora, so it would logically have pretty tough jaws, although the exact toughness depends on whether crystalflora chitin is calcified, and if so, to what extent.
The face looks sort of like a hawksbill sea turtle, which could provide inspiration for its structure.
Really, it's a mess. It would probably need a complete overhaul. However, fixing this is a very low priority. As misinterpretation-fixing goes, me finishing and uploading the new Greencrest art is a higher priority.
For now, I'll mark it on the wiki as "Deprecated - No Longer Canon".

Oh yeah, we were just discussing elaborating spondylozoa skeletal anatomy in the sauceback group chat. In particular, the hips wouldn't look anything like that.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Feb 6 2023, 04:00 AM)

I made that a long time ago, when I didn't pay as much attention to skeletal details. Even when I made it, I had no idea of the anatomical function of the "ghost bone", which is some kind of clavicle/fused sternum. I think I put it there because it looked weird to keep that spot empty. I think I assumed the legs were like elephant feet, and the toe bones rested on a cushion of fatty tissue. I think I didn't know how to make the jaws work with an eye in the way of the cheekbones. This was probably made with a vague recollection of dinosaur and amphibian skeletons (frogs don't have ribs), and perhaps a dash of horse skeleton. It eats crystalflora, so it would logically have pretty tough jaws, although the exact toughness depends on whether crystalflora chitin is calcified, and if so, to what extent. The face looks sort of like a hawksbill sea turtle, which could provide inspiration for its structure. Really, it's a mess. It would probably need a complete overhaul. However, fixing this is a very low priority. As misinterpretation-fixing goes, me finishing and uploading the new Greencrest art is a higher priority. For now, I'll mark it on the wiki as "Deprecated - No Longer Canon".

Hmm, if that's not cannon do we know of an answer that is cannon? Is there a Sagan consensus we can draw on about their toes?

It looks like you hydro cheatsy & Mnidjm worked a lot with that lineage and many of its key species back in the older days, I get that you were all younger at the time, but maybe it's not too late for you guys to talk and form a consensus about what make sense for you as the artists who made them?

It also looks like skysnapper were related to maybe we can infer something about the toes from that relationship?

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Feb 6 2023, 04:06 AM)

Oh yeah, we were just discussing elaborating spondylozoa skeletal anatomy in the sauceback group chat. In particular, the hips wouldn't look anything like that.

What would their hips look like?

This post has been edited by Jarlaxle: Feb 5 2023, 08:35 PM

We had a thread about spondylozoan hip weirdness, the gist of it is that they seem to have ancestrally had hind shoulders and backwards knees instead of normal pelvises...and then a whole bunch protruded their hind shoulders to make pseudo-femurs independently, presumably because that arrangement of limb is better for pushing. But not all of them, and classic species are dependent on the ancestral arrangement so it can't be retconned.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Feb 5 2023, 01:29 PM)

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Feb 1 2021, 12:29 PM) Is this a suitable sketch for a re-draw of the Greencrest? It's meant to have a greatly elongated body outside of its shell. (something like a shipworm) Its pattern of stripes, which help it blend in with the faint stripes/color gradations of the Gomboc Roj's shell, could be mistaken for segmentation at first glance. As for the Bloodbee...a description clarification that the pink end is the mouth is the only thing needed. I think I originally didn't know Xenobees (non-genus-group at the time) all flew with their rumps first. Alright @Coolsteph! Both dorite and 1g1 thinks the new greencrest design looks better!

So uh, any updates on this?

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Apr 22 2023, 12:19 PM)

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Feb 5 2023, 01:29 PM) QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Feb 1 2021, 12:29 PM) Is this a suitable sketch for a re-draw of the Greencrest? It's meant to have a greatly elongated body outside of its shell. (something like a shipworm) Its pattern of stripes, which help it blend in with the faint stripes/color gradations of the Gomboc Roj's shell, could be mistaken for segmentation at first glance. As for the Bloodbee...a description clarification that the pink end is the mouth is the only thing needed. I think I originally didn't know Xenobees (non-genus-group at the time) all flew with their rumps first. Alright @Coolsteph! Both dorite and 1g1 thinks the new greencrest design looks better! So uh, any updates on this?

@Coolsteph seen the go-ahead from both dorite and MNI for the updated greencrest sketch?