Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name: Mangal Sauceback
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: (Conodenticulus glabernasus)
Creator?: Disgustedorite

Ancestor: Fourmaw Sauceback
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Skin covering the maws, longer maws with more small teeth, left-right undulation, twice its ancestor's size
• Internal?: Relies more on touch than echolocation
• Behavioral/Mental?: Aquatic Lifestyle

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Already taken care of

Habitat: Fly Tropical Beach, Hydro Tropical Beach, Oz Subtropical Beach, Time Subtropical Beach, Time Archipelago Subtropical Beaches, Abello Temperate Beach, Abello Archipelago Temperate Beaches, Anguan Temperate Beach, Anguan Archipelago Temperate Beaches, Barlowe Tropical Mangal, Oz Subtropical Mangal, Time Subtropical Mangal, Abello Temperate Mangal, Barlowe Temperate Mangal, Ittiz Temperate Mangal, Ittize Temperate Beach, Ittiz Archipelago Temperate Beaches, Nergali Subtropical Beach, Nergali Subtropical Mangal, Clayren Temperate Beach, Clayren Temperate Mangal, Clayren Archipelago Temperate Beaches, Fly Tropical Coast, Hydro Tropical Coast, Time Subtropical Coast, Oz Subtropical Coast, Anguan Temperate Coast, Abello Temperate Coast, Ittiz Temperate Coast, Nergali Subtropical Coast, Clayren Temperate Coast
Type?: 3/3
Flavor?: 3/3
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: N/A

Size: 8 cm
Same as Ancestor?: No, see External Changes
Within range?: Yes
Exception?: No

Support: Endoskeleton (Chitin)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet: Adult: Carnivore; Larvae/juvenile: Detritivore
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration: Active (Microlungs)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation: Adult: Endotherm (Feathers); Larvae: Ectotherm
Same as Ancestor?: N
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y, stopped hibernating
Other?: N/A

Reproduction: Sexual (Male and Female, Eggs and Larvae)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Colorful description and clever way to spread them out.
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split
Other?:

Status: Approved

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name: Pierced-Snout Feef
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: (Perforodontosaurus palunatans)
Creator?: OviraptorFan

Ancestor: Chromofeef
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Larger in size, holes in upper skull allowing lower teeth to poke through w/o injury, stripes
• Internal?: Omnivory, Capable of changing urea levels, 3 different kinds of glands to buffer salt levels
• Behavioral/Mental?: N/A

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Already taken care of

Habitat: Yokto Montane River, Yokto Subpolar Stream, Yokto Subpolar Riparian, Yokto Bog
Type?: 2/3
Flavor?: 2/3
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: No

Size: 50 cm
Same as Ancestor?: No, see External Changes
Within range?: Yes
Exception?: No

Support: Endoskeleton (Bone)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet: Omnivore
Same as Ancestor?: N
Transition Rule?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation: Ectotherm
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Maybe???
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction: Sexual, Two Genders, Frog-Like Eggs
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Short, but it explains what actually changed.
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Replace
Other?:

Status: Pending(Just needs some elaboration on how it handles the cold temperature)

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name: Little Manjack
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: (Homunculusorex bipedalis)
Creator?: Disgustedorite

Ancestor: Spiny Dwarfjack
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Upright posture, Doubled in size, shorter tail, longer snout, reduced spikes
• Internal?:
• Behavioral/Mental?: Diving into a burrow feet-first then hiding in a sideways tunnel

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Already taken care of

Habitat: Oz Subtropical Beach, Anguan Temperate Beach, Barlowe Chaparral, Barlowe Bush
Type?: 2/3
Flavor?: 2/3
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Size: 30 cm
Same as Ancestor?: No, see External Changes
Within range?: Yes
Exception?: No

Support: Endoskeleton (Bone)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet: Omnivore
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation: Endotherm (Fur)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction: Sexual (Male and Female, Live Birth, Milk)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Sufficient, explains what actually changed while maintaining proper explanation of what stayed similar.
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split
Other?: Jack be nimble, Jack be quick. Jack jumped over the candlestick.

Status: Approved

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name: Cicatrizargo
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: (Rigidirostrum violensortus)
Creator?: OviraptorFan

Ancestor: Terrorbeak
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Fully calcified teeth and beak and twice is ancestor's size
• Internal?: New method of birthing through its "throat", faster clotting, and stronger immune system
• Behavioral/Mental?: More social lifestyle, less aggressive towards one another, but more aggressive towards other predators, wizened up to Twineshrogs

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Already taken care of

Habitat: Raptor Tropical Rainforest, West Wallace Tropical Woodland, Dixon Subtropical Woodland, Dixon Subtropical Rainforest, Dixon Tropical Woodland
Type?: 2/3
Flavor?: 2/3
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: NO!

Size: 2.8 m
Same as Ancestor?: No
Within range?: Yes
Exception?: No

Support: Endoskeleton (Jointed Wood)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet: Carnivore
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation: Endotherm
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction: Sexual (Male and Female, Live Birth)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Reasonably thorough
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split
Other?: Wait until this evolves a perfected method of live birth....

Status: Approved

Well, this sucks. Anyone got any suggestions on what to do?

All I got is either the chin spike is maybe the conjoined root of the lower incisors sticking out, evos from now on have to have the "chin-spike" as teeth, or to have it be the two teeth fused together with keratin capping them (So being two teeth still, but encased in keratin to where it looks like one spike)

Or there may have to be a retcon to Maineiac's Wallahopper to have a chin spike instead of its incisors.

Or worse, a total redraw may be required for every submission

Or worst, wiping them all out, which I don't really want to do obviously.

Silly of me to ask, but is this thing's head bigger than its body compared to its ancestor's head-to-body proportions or is it merely a perspective thing?

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 22 2022, 11:04 PM)

The mouse gryphler’s internal excretion sac reabsorbs some of the water from its liquid waste, making it more concentrated and almost paste-like. This allows it to more easily thrive in dry environments. Like other plents, it has a blind gut and must regurgitate all waste. It has ceased excreting liquid waste from its skin at all and has instead repurposed the excretion glands to produce oil, which protects and strengthens its trichomes. Like its ancestor, it can dig shallow burrows using its beak to store seeds and crystals to feed on out of season.

I'm not quite sure what's going on here as the two statements seem to contradict with one another. Does the mouse gryphler urinate paste or does it not?

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 22 2022, 08:09 AM)

A little more undergrowth/groundcover would be ideal, but it's a decent approximation of something like Alexandra, New Zealand.

I love this feller's expression.

It's like it told the Twineshrog, "So, you have chosen death." right before wiping it out.

Let's try it again.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 19 2022, 09:50 AM)

There's no need to be sorry. I myself delayed working on this for months, due to various factors. Shouldn't there be more trees and shrub-like flora in a forest? Admittedly, this is far from a rainforest. Adding two more trees and two more small flora should be sufficient to convey it's a forest. I also recommend adding some texturing to the black sand, like grain texturing or Hydromancerx-style soil blotching, adjusted or the horizon. I'm not sure if I could imitate your lineart style, but I could add shading and texturing.

Will this do?

@Coolsteph, I am so sorry for being late with this.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Aug 18 2022, 07:40 PM)

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Aug 18 2022, 10:30 PM) OviFan, I want to remind you that I stated to Dobem should be removed due to its aggressive and competitive nature making it like bringing pigs to Australia, also the Doboor does exist and is reasonably similar to the Dobem. Furthermore, I will admit I cannot find any sound reason to deny the Divedove access, but I am requiring one descendant only if it makes it. Wait when exactly did the Dobem part come up, i can see your point on why it should likely not cross over but I don't recall you talking about not including it before.

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Aug 16 2022, 09:20 PM)

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Aug 16 2022, 09:05 PM) Hm, on second thought I can agree with what you said for most of these, but I do still want to spread either the Divedohve or the Slider Snoa, preferably the former since it would then finally get the spotlight it deserves, and I proposed it making the journey rather than the Slider Snoa since it can actually swim relatively well and thus more regularly get on the rafts while hunting the small critters that are normally in its diet on said raft. If there must be a choice between the two, I will say the Divedove, but it requires one descendant replacement (No splits). I cannot promise that it will make it, but you have made your case for the Divedove on my end. On another note, for the case with the Dobem, I will be declining that as due to its more competitive and aggressive nature, it could easily outcompete all sorts of fauna. Think of it like bringing pigs to an unprepared island. I further recently discussed with Dorite and have come to a personal compromise on an organism I longed to do, the "Dododoria", and am willing to utilize the Doboor for that once I have a good visual on how the beak should work. For the Fee and Foi-Devouring Sauceback, I have come to remember that the selected Fee are broken and I have confidence that if it hadn't been for the event that wiped out Ittiz, another way would have been found to eliminate those fee in particular. Unfortunately, this would also mean the death of the Foi-Devourer would be inevitable.

However, I will confess that this was an edited response, my apologies for not considering that.

OviFan, I want to remind you that I stated to Dobem should be removed due to its aggressive and competitive nature making it like bringing pigs to Australia, also the Doboor does exist and is reasonably similar to the Dobem.

Furthermore, I will admit I cannot find any sound reason to deny the Divedove access, but I am requiring one descendant only if it makes it.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 18 2022, 05:27 PM)

The description seems sparse for a genus group...although I could just be used to Beta genus groups. Can you add more detail?

Any particular suggestions outside of the edits I recently made.

I feel like this is different enough from its ancestor to warrant a new genus.

Obscurpedes (Calcipectinator spp.)

Creator: TheBigDeepC
Ancestor: Obscurpede
Habitat: Global (Sagan 4)
Size: 0.5 – 2 cm Long
Support: Exoskeleton
Diet: Planktivore
Respiration: ???
Thermoregulation: Ectotherm
Reproduction: Asexual, Spores

The obscurpede genus group has replaced not only its ancestor, the obscurpede, but also the white obscurpede. This genus group is vital for the water table ecosysytems because they fill the niche of zooplankton in Sagan 4 within water tables. They use their pseudo-fingers to gather microbes, which they consume with their baleen mouths. Due to them lacking eyes, they use their highly sensitive antennae like a set of extra-long limbs to find their way around. Similar to their relatives, the cavepedes, the obscurpedes have long arms; though instead of having stubs for legs like cavepedes, the obscurpedes have no other legs at all; this lead to the obscurpedes needing to swiftly undulate for brief moments if they are being pursued by predators. Obscurpedes also have 9 body segments along with the head and tail, and the previously mentioned extremely long antennae. Furthermore, unlike cavepedes, some obscurpedes have transparent exoskeletons. Those with transparent exoskeletons are found in all water table ecosystems compared to others that are often restricted to certain water tables thanks to their colored exoskeletons. Like all anipedes, they have blue copper blood, which can be seen in the obscurpedes with transparent exoskeletons. They are also asexual and produce spores, allowing them to thrive in the water tables.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 17 2022, 08:35 PM)

Would a retroactively-inserted small landmark island be a compromise? Or would it not matter, because sea level rise over time make it sink beneath the waves anyway?

It would not matter, but I appreciate your suggestion.

I have recently decided to propose on removing the Xatakpa from the list

The Xatakpa has a bony body, which is heavier than any of the plents on board.

While the Icicleback is heavier than the Xatakpa, the Icicleback has the benefit of reproducing with live birth and a pouch, which reduces the risk of losing young in comparison to the Xatakpa laying hard-shelled eggs.

The Xatakpa is surviving quite fine on other regions and could be attended to those regions.

The Xatakpa has numerous descendants that are doing quite well.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 17 2022, 07:47 PM)

I think we should not be needing to come up with reasons not to include species when this is blatant metagaming already. Species can be excluded at random just by saying those that did spread got very very lucky.

You are correct on this organism being a serious case of metagaming and that a couple saved organisms can be chalked up to being lucky, but it also did run on some sort of train of logic, however disagreeable it may be. The reason I am trying to provide reasons and specifics is to better elaborate for everyone and bring forth things that may have been unintentionally forgotten or overlooked as I have carelessly overlooked before, which is how this all got started to begin with. To also further persuade OviFan, you, and Mni to come to an agreement.

Further Revised List from this Proposal so far

Needlevine – 1 Descendant with sexual reproduction
Numflora – 1 Descendant with sexual reproduction
Ugly Woodenberry – 2 Descendants
Thaworm - 1 Descendant
Ruby Cruster – 1 Descendant with sexual reproduction
Thawgrass X Nibulb Thawgrass – As a hybrid replacement. 1 Descendant
Iceblaster – 1 Descendant with proper insulation
Icicleback – 2 Descendants (Unless it can be properly argued on why it should not be allowed to stay)
Scraggly Swaberry – 2 Descendants
Feces Shellworm – 3 Descendants
Nomnom - 1 Descendant
Drakolantern - 1 Descendant
Lolly Poppy (IF Mni cannot spread the Poppy with his Yannisflora genus group or cannot be spread by someone else) - 1 Descendant
Divedove - 1 Descendant (Unless it can be argued on why it should not be allowed to stay)

Furthermore, I am bringing a strict suggestion further to the table. This Ark-Crafter has to be your last retro submission, OviFan. This is not to punish you, but to allow others a chance. You are still welcome to offer suggestions, ideas, or advice to other people making their retro submissions.

Please finish this as soon as possible. That is all I ask because I would like to see this get approved.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Aug 16 2022, 09:05 PM)

Hm, on second thought I can agree with what you said for most of these, but I do still want to spread either the Divedohve or the Slider Snoa, preferably the former since it would then finally get the spotlight it deserves, and I proposed it making the journey rather than the Slider Snoa since it can actually swim relatively well and thus more regularly get on the rafts while hunting the small critters that are normally in its diet on said raft.

If there must be a choice between the two, I will say the Divedove, but it requires one descendant replacement (No splits).

I cannot promise that it will make it, but you have made your case for the Divedove on my end.

On another note, for the case with the Dobem, I will be declining that as due to its more competitive and aggressive nature, it could easily outcompete all sorts of fauna. Think of it like bringing pigs to an unprepared island. I further recently discussed with Dorite and have come to a personal compromise on an organism I longed to do, the "Dododoria", and am willing to utilize the Doboor for that once I have a good visual on how the beak should work.

For the Fee and Foi-Devouring Sauceback, I have come to remember that the selected Fee are broken and I have confidence that if it hadn't been for the event that wiped out Ittiz, another way would have been found to eliminate those fee in particular. Unfortunately, this would also mean the death of the Foi-Devourer would be inevitable.

Without the quotes

I am willing to agree to the Xatakpa, Nomnom, Drakolantern, and Lolly Poppy (IF Mni cannot spread the Poppy with his Yannisflora genus group) if anyone else is willing to. I am declining the others, however. Especially since my intention of the Sly Snoa was that it is primarily a sanguivore of the Warmtsudo that sometimes ate eggs.

As said before, the Tundra Goth Tree has near-identical relatives that can re-spread into Maineiac or Barlowe through other means with relative ease in the present (IE, having the Coastal Goth Tree's gliding berries on the Bora reach the beaches)
The Ice-Angler Ororpede can evolve to spread out into Maineiac in the present and it might actually be wiser to do so
The Divedove still depends on freshwater regardless of whether it is on a boat or not. Also, having water in the boat would be rather counterproductive admittedly
Leafed Swarmer still has a long distance to be concerned about, predators that will spot it out for certain, and part of its life still requires being on the floor
Horned Leafshell still has its Pina descendant that can be saved by Mni and you could theoretically evolve something new from that, which could actually even take on a similar niche as the Horned Leafshell, even if it's not exactly the same.

While I am in agreement with the idea of "spreading out things that can be done now rather than retroactively" (As with the Ice-Angler Oropede for example, it can easily evolve something that spreads further out to Maineiac) and I understand your frustration with this entire delegitimization of the ecosystem and I do agree with your general concerns, this way of responding is rather uncalled for. The entire purpose of this proposal is to avoid conflict and come to a fairer agreement for everyone.

OviFan still gets some species saved, your ecosystem stays reasonably uncompromised, Mni gets a chance to try to save species and have his submission stay legitimized, and I hopefully get the chance to right my wrongs.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Aug 16 2022, 08:18 AM)

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Aug 15 2022, 03:28 AM) QUOTE TheBigDeepCheatsy,Aug 13 2022, 02:43 PM I do heavily understand the desire/need to save or resurrect species that were indeed carelessly wiped out through more absurd means like the No-Snarf and other plagues. After all, I have been known for my habit of saving species as best as I can; I did it before with the Nodents, Shrews, and Humms. However, I feel it is also important to remember that a part of having a decent biodiversity on Sagan 4 isn't just the quantity and the quality, it's also helpful to reduce the homogenization of Sagan 4 that is inadvertently devaluing some of the other species and making it somewhat harder for making submissions due to how overwhelming it can get to a degree (Although this homogenization isn't necessarily at a critical state at the moment, but the less there is, the better). I would also like to apologize for failing to notice this sooner, I allowed myself to get caught up in all the excitement in the Ark-Building Phlyer that I overlooked several details or didn’t look at them properly enough. To put it another way, while we were guilty of pruning too many branches off the tree for enough apples to grow before, we also realize that grafting too many dead branches on it could also choke out that tree and still prevent any more apples from growing. I know you mean absolutely well with this species, OviFan, and I know you are a sharp, diligent, and talented young man. But you should also let others try out saving their species as well, let Mnidjm have his turn with the Yanisflora out of consideration how he feels and you can still give some tips to him on what else he could possibly save with them in addition to the Pina and Capispine. Furthermore, he did submit his species first, WIP or not. It doesn't need to be just you pulling the weight. Plus, while I did save many species, there were even more I wanted to save, but could not and I learned to accept on sometimes letting them go while you have done your best. And as I mentioned before, having too many saved species could cause a problem with the current timeline, low genetic diversity or high, along with having too many species to work with when we already have a lot to do still. Please take my proposal because it's a very good deal and we can all get what we want and need out of this. QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 14 2022, 08:49 AM) When going over this, it might be easier to organize by trophic level and habitat. After all, if a large herbivorous species is aggressive and quick to reproduce, and able to outcompete newcomers, but its own food sources are outcompeted by a newcomer flora, its survival chances would greatly drop. While I did consider that to a degree, I didn't think of it to the extension that you did. This has me reducing my number of Dobem descendants down to 1. Furthermore, the other reason for the limited number of descendants allowed for the proposed survivors is so that other people can get their species done sooner as well. I can probably remove most of these from the list, but what im about to show are the ones I wish to keep in Tundra Goth Tree (Its only close relative lives far away and its survival would allow the survival of another taxon) Lolly Poppy (It has no close relatives that are quite like it and it would be limited to just living living at the Maineiac Polar River and Maineiac Polar Riparian biomes) Drakolantern (Its one living descendant is quite different from this species in terms of lifestyle and also lives far away) Xatakpa (While it does live elsewhere, it could still make its way to Maineiac, especially since glassflora would still be present there, plus it would be the earliest dwellers to reach the continent and would provide food for another species I wish to spread) Horned Leafshell (its only living relative is the Wading Leafshell and its respective descendants, who are quite different in terms of lifestyle due to being more tied to the water than it) Nomnom (While it does have close relatives, the Nomnom would avoid competition with them as it feeds on different kinds of flora, so I think it would survive) Ice-Angler Oropede (It may have a population on Maineiac, but they are restricted to the polar beach of the north, the superspreader would spread them to the watersheds of the continent as well which would increase their range, and they would in turn provide food for other species) Divedove (I think this species would be able to eek out a living on the rafts, as a good portion of its prey is present on those rafts and it could better access them than the slider snoa, if they do make it they would finally have a chance to diversify) Sly Snoa (They are a relatively unique taxon who is quite different from its relatives or descendants, and they would be closely linked to the Xatakpas) Leafed Swarmer (The species is pelagic once they reach adulthood, so they could certainly travel farther than if they just remained on the sea floor, plus this would mean they would be present outside of Wallace's river systems or the southern ice sheets)

I am willing to agree to the Xatakpa, Nomnom, Drakolantern, and Lolly Poppy (IF Mni cannot spread the Poppy with his Yannisflora genus group) if anyone else is willing to. I am declining the others, however. Especially since my intention of the Sly Snoa was that it is primarily a sanguivore of the Warmtsudo that sometimes ate eggs.

As said before, the Tundra Goth Tree has near-identical relatives that can re-spread into Maineiac or Barlowe through other means with relative ease in the present (IE, having the Coastal Goth Tree's gliding berries on the Bora reach the beaches)
The Ice-Angler Ororpede can evolve to spread out into Maineiac in the present and it might actually be wiser to do so
The Divedove still depends on freshwater regardless of whether it is on a boat or not. Also, having water in the boat would be rather counterproductive admittedly
Leafed Swarmer still has a long distance to be concerned about, predators that will spot it out for certain, and part of its life still requires being on the floor
Horned Leafshell still has its Pina descendant that can be saved by Mni and you could theoretically evolve something new from that, which could actually even take on a similar niche as the Horned Leafshell, even if it's not exactly the same.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 16 2022, 09:57 AM)

You are potentially delegitimizing the ecosystem that was made before you ever joined. I think that this "superspreader" can only do harm and I'm starting to think they should actually be banned for retroactive submissions. Do not add any species that are already extant, that is what evolving and spreading them in the modern time when continuity errors are not a factor is for. If it can be done today, do not fucking do it retroactively!

While I am in agreement with the idea of "spreading out things that can be done now rather than retroactively" (As with the Ice-Angler Oropede for example, it can easily evolve something that spreads further out to Maineiac) and I understand your frustration with this entire delegitimization of the ecosystem and I do agree with your general concerns, this way of responding is rather uncalled for. The entire purpose of this proposal is to avoid conflict and come to a fairer agreement for everyone.

OviFan still gets some species saved, your ecosystem stays reasonably uncompromised, Mni gets a chance to try to save species and have his submission stay legitimized, and I hopefully get the chance to right my wrongs