Giant Tamow (Ornatotherium gígas)
Creator: Hydromancerx
Ancestor: Adorned Tamow
Habitat: Vonnegut Archipelago Temperate Beaches, Vonnegut Temperate Woodland Archipelago, Vonnegut Bush Archipelago
Size: 6 m Long
Support: Endoskeleton (Bone)
Diet: Herbivore (Mainland Fuzzpalm, Qupe Tree, Cocobarrage, Obsidibend, Baebula)
Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Thermoregulation: Endotherm (Fur)
Reproduction: Sexual (Male and Female, Pouch and Milk)
The Giant Tamow split from its ancestor the Adorned Tamow. It has become a large browser eating purple and black flora trees and shrubs. It has doubled in size and its neck and legs have grown longer to reach the treetops. Their keratinous quills have become scalemail-like and help protect them from predators when they are younger. After they become fully grown they are much to big for any predators like the Sparkleshrog, except for the Tyrannical Vonnegona. Even full-grown adults fear them. While their armor should protect adults from attacks from Tyrannical Vonnegona, a persistent one can take and adult Giant Tamow down. Thanks to them they are no longer solitary and travel in small herds. With more eyes and ears, there is a better chance of survival.
Like their ancestor they have symbiotic microbes such as Guttoplaques to digest the large amount of leaves it consumes daily. Its tail is vestigial and no longer servers a purpose other then armoring their butt. Their tongues have become longer and help them grab leaves and branches. Their large legs on 3 toed feet help hold up their massive bodies. Their two middle toes have fused into a single wider toe. They are surprisingly fast for their size.
Like their ancestor they give birth to helpless fetal young. Males do not participate in parental care at all. Joeys will live in their mother’s pouch and drink milk until they start to grow in their armor, at which point they leave the pouch already able to run from predators. They are fast as juveniles, but slow down considerably as they age and their armor finishes growing in. Juveniles will continue to suckle from their mother for up to 2 years after leaving the pouch before they are weaned and begin eating leaves instead.
| QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 15 2022, 12:44 PM) |
| There are several "it's" errors in this description. "Minikrugs": "Minikruggs" "Like their ancestor[...]mothers". I recommend merging this sentence. "150 cm long" should be "1.5 m long". They have big ears for a large herbivore. Is it to compensate for their black armor and fairly thick-looking fur insulating them too much? These are big for burrowing animals. A polar bear is technically a burrowing animal, as the females dig maternity dens. Female polar bears are 5.9-7.9 feet long, or 2.4 meters. However, it's possible snow is easier to dig through than soil. A wombat, which is more conventionally a burrowing animal, is about 1 meter long.The extinct wombat relative Mukurpina, which had some limiting digging ability but didn't burrow, is said to be the size of a black bear. The size of an American black bear is 4.5 feet long, or 1.3 m long. I recommend adjusting the art to give it bigger front paws that look more suitable for digging, making it smaller, clarifying that its burrows are just pits in the ground sheltered by vegetation, or that it co-opts other organism's burrows and somewhat expands the entrances. |
150 cm is the same as 1.5 m. I don't see why it would have to be listed in meters and not centimeters.
As for the digging it is going from more hoof-like nails to claws so I wanted to make sure it looked smaller than say full on aardvark claws. A transitional form. If i evolve this again it will have bigger claws and probably smaller size.
The rest I will fix.
Plated Tamow (Ornatotherium laminam)
Creator: Hydromancerx
Ancestor: Adorned Tamow
Habitat: Vonnegut Temperate Woodland Archipelago
Size: 150 cm Long
Support: Endoskeleton (Bone)
Diet: Omnivore (Floating Island Greatgrass, Supershrooms, Sunstalks, Mainland Fuzzpalm berries, Fuzzpile berries, Minikruggs, Vermees)
Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Thermoregulation: Endotherm (Fur)
Reproduction: Sexual (Male and Female, Pouch and Milk)
The Plated Tamow split from its ancestor the Adorned Tamow. It now lives Temperate Woodlands of Vonnegut. No longer on a floating island it became a burrower that will dig into the black soil. Its front nails have become strong digging claws. Its coloration is black to blend into the soil. Its spikes have becomes knobbly plates that resemble pebbles. This servers as camouflage and protection from predators such as the Sparkleshrog.
While it still eats mostly flora it supplements its diet with small bug-like fauna such as Minikruggs and Vermees. It still has symbiotic microbes such as Guttoplaques to digest the grass it consumes daily.
Its tail is no longer flat but a club shape. It can swing it in defense. It actually hits a lot harder than predators think and once they get whacked they usually leave them alone. If they don't they have their keratinous armor to protect them or they can just hide in their large burrows. Their large ears both help them listen for predators (or small prey) as well as help dissipate heat from their black armor and thick-looking fur. In the winter however these adaptions keep them comfortable and warm even in the snow.
Like their ancestor they are more solitary, however their offspring live with their mothers. They give birth to helpless fetal young. Males do not participate in parental care at all. Joeys will live in their mother’s pouch and drink milk until they start to grow in their armor, at which point they leave the pouch already able to run from predators. They are fast as juveniles, but slow down considerably as they age and their armor finishes growing in. Juveniles will continue to suckle from their mother for up to a year after leaving the pouch before they are weaned and begin eating grass instead.
| QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 9 2022, 01:06 PM) | ||||
"Twink Flora." Knowing the slang term "twink" exists and is an odd thing to attach to alien organisms, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to draw so much attention to that component of the name. Perhaps yellowflora (to match the color terms "blackflora" and "purpleflora") or "gelatins" or "iiros"? |
Their name is derived from them having the appearance of Twinkies, the yellow snack food. Yellow Flora is fine though.
| QUOTE (colddigger @ Sep 9 2022, 10:30 AM) |
| Did the name get changed? I thought it was hissing hrugg I thought that was fun |
I messed up on the forum thread title. Was always suppose to be "Krugg"
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 9 2022, 10:18 AM) |
| Crystals wouldn't really benefit from these at all, though. Neither would any other mixotrophic flora. |
So not Crystal Flora or Glass Flora but there are other types too like Bone Flora and Twink Flora.
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 9 2022, 10:02 AM) |
| The warning only works if there's something with the same appearance that actually is poisonous. Fauna are smart and learn that orange doesn't mean poison and they eat it. |
I changed them to be mildly poisonous.
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 9 2022, 10:04 AM) |
| Actually, only purple flora and black flora are anything like Earth plants. Everything else is significantly and explicitly completely different and would not be compatible with this, most notably crystal flora. |
How about this. it's limited to purple and black flora. You, colddigger and Nergali help spread it to other flora next gen. That way the workload is spread out to more than just one person. Sound good you guys?
EDIT: Updated to only purple and black flora.
Ok altered the pigment part and added stuff about the chin horns.
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They now have different colored hair depending upon the color berry they use. I feel like this is going into "Brony" territory now.
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They now have different colored hair depending upon the color berry they use. I feel like this is going into "Brony" territory now.
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 9 2022, 09:56 AM) |
| Shrews lost the ability to do color change, which happened before the gained fur as well, which in turn prevents the crazy color stuff from happening in them. Cephalopods did not "master pigments" nor did early spondylozoans. |
Hmmm. Well since since they don't eat glass flora and there is arguments about fur not being liek feathers i am going to change to the berry juice method. since that is harder to "debunk"
| QUOTE (Nergali @ Sep 8 2022, 05:41 PM) |
| I could totally see a genus splitting off from this, spreading near globally by spreading their spores into the atmosphere and letting them "take root" wherever they land. |
Feel free to evolve this next gen.
| QUOTE (Nergali @ Sep 8 2022, 05:17 PM) |
| I'm curious, if they're not poisonous, then how does the coloration ward off predators? Are they mimicking an actual poisonous species? Other than that, I really like the colors, as they contrast with each other very nicely, with the orange being all the more vibrant due to the darker hues of the front half. Also, since they have spiracles, you can list that as their method of respiration. |
Bright warning colors like yellow or orange contrasting with black usually means they are poisonous. Other actual poisonous Sagan 4 species have done this in the past.
| QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 8 2022, 05:16 PM) |
| Also here is an important question, how is the fur of the Quillyn blue? If I recall correctly, mammals(which furred shrews in modern times are pretty much an analogue to in many respects) can't really have blue fur, with the closest color being stuff like purpule. With that in mind, how does your Quillyn get around this problem and have blue fur, or alternatively, why not it be a different distinct color like a bright red or violet? Also the torso is way too short, its a problem in the original artwork of the cheekhorns as well, as it means they have no room for guts at all. |
1. They are carpozoa which if you recall mastered pigmentation early on. I had this in mind when creating them. Their pigment cells should be extremely complex compared to Earth mammals. Think of it as if mammals had cepholopods as ancestors.
2. I did have a couple other ideas when making it before i realized they were carpozoa. One was to have them eat glass flora to get the blue pigmentation. Another was to use the juice of the blue colored berries that they love to eat. And another was to have the hairs use light diffraction like butterfly wings or blue eyes in humans.. I still feel them inheriting the carpozoa pigment cells is a much similar method to these.
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 8 2022, 08:50 PM) |
| I mean...they can also evolve a boney core. There's no reason they can't. Shrogs did it. |
I don't feel it needs to but if you guys think it's implausible without it then i would be on with that.
| QUOTE (colddigger @ Sep 8 2022, 07:38 PM) |
| It should be restricted to purple Flora if it's being based off endophytes. |
Why though? I agree that purple flora are the most "plant-like" but black flora is very similar too. Infact all the flora have some elements similar to Earth plants. with having leaves and roots for most. Only the reproduction differs with seeds and spores but they function the same.I could understand if they evolved first in purple flora but i don't see why they shouldn't be able to spread to the others once evolved, without needing much change to live in the other types.
| QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Sep 8 2022, 12:44 AM) |
| I will say that I feel like the cheekhorns on this fella look a little too much like bony horns, BUT you could possibly either redraw them to look more keratinous OR possibly have it that the cheekhorns are actually a braided pair for each "horn" (If that can even work)? Looking again, that head does seem rather small for its diet, might need to make it a little bigger. Maybe use guanaco and giraffe for further reference. |
They are still just a modified quill. The unicorn-like shape is for strength (and style since it's supose to be like a Quilin).
The body side lf is actually small its only the neck and limbs that are so huge. Stretched out lanky boii..
| QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 8 2022, 05:56 AM) |
| "usually: well-rotted carcasses" This has no need for a colon. "like its ancestor strategy": You probably meant: "Like its ancestor, its reproductive strategy". Otherwise, everything looks good. The description is short for post-revival Alpha entries, but not conspicuously so. It's a bit odd it doesn't live in Raptor Tropical Rainforest, since it surely has plenty of food and good egg-laying sites, is contiguous with its other habitats, and it lives in a huge strip of rainforest/woodland habitats. However, it's not actually necessary to expand there. The respiration of the krugg lineage should be elaborated upon at some point, but the missing information doesn't seem so significant as to substantially delay the approval of this organism. Respiration would certainly be worth figuring out if it were, say, 1 m long, but at 10 cm falls within the size of a large giant weta on Earth, so it's plausible even if it uses roachlike respiration. |
Fixed and added Raptor Tropical Rainforest. I just missed that. A lot of biomes to sort through.
Symbiopouruses (Symbiotrispourus spp.)
Creator: Hydromancerx
Ancestor: Hexpouruses
Habitat: Global (Sagan 4)
Size: 1 to 10 mm Wide
Support: Unknown
Diet: Consumer (Symbiotic with host flora)
Respiration: Unknown
Thermoregulation: Unknown
Reproduction: Binary Fission
The Symbiopouruses genus group split from the hexspouruses genus group. Their multicellular grouping of a few cells is similar to its ancestor, however it has specialized cells at the front and back. At the front it has cilia which to bring in food into its oral grove. At the back are flagellums which help it propel itself towards food. Like their ancestor they reproduce through binary fission. What sets them apart from their ancestor is that they are obligate symbionts that can be found in many species of flora, most heavily among the purple flora.
Symbiopouruses get a benefit from being safe from UV light and extreme temperatures. Safe inside the flora, they don't have to compete for resources with other microbes. This doesn't cost the host flora much energy so it can keep growing healthy. They colonize the leaves and reproductive organs such as flowers. That way they can be incorporated into the embryo of the seed or spore of their host. Then they can start a new generation in the new host once it sprouts.
They are not harmful to their host and are beneficial to them. Like Earth endophytes, they can help them in a number of ways. Depending on the species, they can produce chemicals that can help protect the flora from herbivores or harmful invaders like parasitic flora. Others will help regulate their host flora's pores for when it's hot and dry they can help the host flora lose less water. These pores also help let carbon dioxide in and oxygen out. Since these are the inputs and outputs of photosynthesis, regulating them can make their host flora more efficient at converting sunlight into fuel. Other species can produce hormones to help make their host flora's roots more efficient at absorbing nutrients from the soil. With all of these extra resources the host flora can grow bigger and produce more fruits and flowers that can spread more seeds and spores, thus spreading these more often.
| QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 7 2022, 09:34 PM) |
| So uh, a redraw of the Beach Cheekhorn is coming soon. It might help clarify some bits of its anatomy and thus might be important to consider for this guy. |
Well i looked at it's ancestor too. Thus the chin spikes looking for like the older one.
Quillyn (Maxillacornu quilinmimus)
Creator: Hydromancerx
Ancestor: Beach Cheekhorn
Habitat: Hydro Tropical Beach, Fly Tropical Beach, Oz Subtropical Beach, Time Subtropical Beach, Time Archipelago Subtropical Beaches, Barlowe Tropical Mangal, Oz Subtropical Mangal, Time Subtropical Mangal
Size: 3 m Long
Support: Endoskeleton (Bone)
Diet: Herbivore (Goldilackaruck, Raft-Building Cone Puffgrass, Pelagic Puffgrass, Carnosprawl, Pioneer Raftballs, Marblora, Coastal Goth Tree, Mainland Fuzzpalm berries, Fuzzweed berries, Fuzzpile berries, Penumbra Fuzzpalm berries, Kack Tower nuts)
Respiration: Active (Lungs)
Thermoregulation: Endotherm (Fur)
Reproduction: Sexual, Live Birth, Two Genders, Pouch and Milk
The quillyn split from its ancestor the beach cheekhorns.They have grown larger and have spread to the mangal in Barlowe. Their long legs and long neck allows them to reach food even when wading in the water. They love to eat berries when they are in season. It eats mainly highly digestible tissues, such as berries and tender new leaves. Like their ancestor they are important in spreading the seeds of many flora. They are quick and agile sprinters that can dash away from predators even through water or on sand. Their wide hooves allow them to to not sink in mud or sand.
Their quill-mane now is smooth like scalemail and provides armor from bites to the neck or spine. Males sport vivid colored hair on their chins, cheeks, legs, tails, even whiskers. These bright display makes them stand out. The hairs of these parts are actually clear hairs. The males will rub berry juice on them from the flora they eat. This stains the fur whatever color the berries are. Thus juice from "fuzz" flora typically are cyan while juice from the carnosprawl make the hair red. Females on the other hand have no such tufts on their bodies except for their tails, which is brown like their ancestor. These showy coloration help attract mates. Males will fight over territory by knocking their cheek horns into each other's sides. Most the time, however, they don't actually hit each other and instead the whole display is mostly for show. Their cheek horns have also developed a boney core to help strengthen them. However it can strain their necks when too big. Being modified quills however they can fall off if they get too big. They will regrow them once shed but at a cost to their social standing with other males.
Like the beach cheekhorns they are born without hooves, instead bearing milking claws that give them somewhat of a resemblance to their distant ancestor the quilltail. With these milking claws, young quillyn will grip onto the backsides of their mothers, holding onto them tightly as they go about grazing upon the semi-aquatic flora. Their hooves begin to come in around 6 months after birth. Once they have fully come in and they have reached a sufficiently large size to walk on their own, they will begin to not sink in the mud or sand and such themselves, though will continue to nurse from their mothers until they are about a year old.
Quillyn are crepuscular, being active mostly during the dawn and twilight hours, during which they can take advantage of the cooler air. When sleeping in the shade during the day, one member of the herd is always awake in order to keep guard, a task that is rotated amongst the members from time to time. They are still quite social and will travel in large herds across the mangal and beaches.
| QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 7 2022, 03:17 PM) |
| The description is very small. Can you elaborate on them? You could talk about the sorts of things it likes to hide under, whether it's diurnal or nocturnal, any soil preferences for egg-laying, or the particular predators it has, and how effective its defenses are against each. You could also talk about what kind of detritus it likes most: well-rotted carcasses, logs, leaves, or flowers, perhaps. Does it hiss just once, or repeatedly if disturbed? In retrospect, I'm surprised kruggs have specified cloacal segments, and not spiracles. There's a comma after "South Darwin Subtropical Woodland". |
Ok added a little bit more info.
| QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 7 2022, 02:36 PM) | ||
In that case, make sure to use these since that follows the proportions of the drawings. Male: 40 centimeters tall, 80 centimeters long Nocturnal Female: 80 centimeters tall, 1.6 meters long Diurnal Female: 80 centimeters tall, 1.5 meters long |
Updated
Hissing Krugg (Vermimorphoblatta petataeris)
Creator: Hydromancerx
Ancestor: Grub Krugg
Habitat Darwin Tropical Rainforest, Wallace Tropical Rainforest, Raptor Tropical Rainforest, Darwin Subtropical Rainforest, Dixon Subtropical Rainforest, Darwin Temperate Rainforest, Darwin Tropical Woodland, Central Wallace Tropical Woodland, Darwin Temperate Woodland, Dixon Tropical Woodland, West Wallace Tropical Woodland, Dixon Subtropical Woodland, Dixon Subtropical Woodland, South Darwin Subtropical Woodland
Size: 10 cm Long
Support: Unknown
Diet: Herbivore (Marbleflora, Pioneeroots, Sapshrooms, Sunstalks, Puffgrass, Thistle Puffgrass, Larandbora, Marblora), Detritivore, Scavenger
Respiration: Unknown
Thermoregulation: Unknown
Reproduction: Sexual, Many Snail-like Eggs
The Hissing Krugg split from its ancestor the Grub Krugg. It has grown larger and its spiracles have grown bigger. They are able to hiss out of them. This helps scare predators long enough for them to get away. They will typically hide under leaves or under logs. The bright orange on their bodies also helps warn off predators since they are mildly poisonous. Their leather-like chitin exoskeleton has gotten thicker to help protect them if they do get attacked. However it is only useful for defending against smaller predators. As they grow bigger they will molt their exoskeletons. This process leaves them vulnerable so they try to seek out dark hidden locations away from predators.
They are active during the day and graze on mostly flora. They prefer to eat purple flora over black flora. When they do eat detritus it is usually well-rotted carcasses, logs and leaves.
Like its ancestor, its reproductive strategy is to lay many snail-like eggs under the soil so predators cannot find them. They usually pick soil near rotting logs so their offspring have an easy food source when they hatch. In temperate biomes the eggs can stay dormant for months until warmer weather comes.
Oh i thought the tail was like an ice pick. So it's just for swimming?
| QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 7 2022, 11:51 AM) |
| The ancestor already did the fission thing to reproduce asexually in midair. It could probably be modified into more energy-efficient budding now that it isn't flying, though. |
Ok i fixed some parts but stuck on the unique reproduction. Ideas on what i should put?
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