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I like the stripes and coloration.

"on their slightly longer tail" "their casing" The grammar is off for this.
Now, there have been many instances of herbivores spreading flora from one biome to another. Since there are only three flora species spread, the scrutiny should be low.

Roughly what percentage of its diet is Arid Ferine leaves and berries? Although Arid Ferines are 1 m tall and this seems about 80 cm tall, with no neck or apparent ability to stand on its hind legs, the Arid Ferine art's branch growing patterns suggests perhaps one-third of the branches of a full-sized Arid Ferine could be accessible to a Turquoise-Helmed Lizalope. More branches might be accessible if harsh conditions make the Arid Ferines grow shorter, though. This probably wouldn't be under scrutiny at all if it wasn't spreading Arid Ferines to two new habitats, and the fact it's only spreading three flora to two habitats each means this detail is still fairly low in necessary scrutiny.

The Warf Gossalizard is mentioned to be be "slightly warm blooded". Unfortunately, it doesn't specify how. I didn't specify it or elaborate upon it in the Grazing Gossalizard, either. It would probably be useful to add some retroactive clarification for this lineage.

Don't juvenile trees exist?

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 14 2022, 10:20 AM)

Don't juvenile trees exist?

That's a good point, although I am uncertain whether they would make berries. Only the berries are relevant for the sake of this question on spreading. Theoretically, if Arid Ferine berries are only a small portion of its diet, the chances it would spread it to new habitats are lower. Admittedly, if Arid Ferines drop their berries to the ground, and Turquoise-Helmed Lizalopes eat those, it could bypass the issue, provided the seeds can still germinate.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 14 2022, 11:39 AM)

I like the stripes and coloration. "on their slightly longer tail" "their casing" The grammar is off for this. Now, there have been many instances of herbivores spreading flora from one biome to another. Since there are only three flora species spread, the scrutiny should be low. Roughly what percentage of its diet is Arid Ferine leaves and berries? Although Arid Ferines are 1 m tall and this seems about 80 cm tall, with no neck or apparent ability to stand on its hind legs, the Arid Ferine art's branch growing patterns suggests perhaps one-third of the branches of a full-sized Arid Ferine could be accessible to a Turquoise-Helmed Lizalope. More branches might be accessible if harsh conditions make the Arid Ferines grow shorter, though. This probably wouldn't be under scrutiny at all if it wasn't spreading Arid Ferines to two new habitats, and the fact it's only spreading three flora to two habitats each means this detail is still fairly low in necessary scrutiny. The Warf Gossalizard is mentioned to be be "slightly warm blooded". Unfortunately, it doesn't specify how. I didn't specify it or elaborate upon it in the Grazing Gossalizard, either. It would probably be useful to add some retroactive clarification for this lineage.

Tried to fix the grammar

Its probably only a moderate part of its diet, but it probably feeds on those lower branches regularly enough for it to spread them about to new areas.

Im pretty sure its due to the fuzzy coats of setae that cover most of its bodies

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 14 2022, 11:31 AM)

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Aug 14 2022, 10:20 AM) Don't juvenile trees exist? That's a good point, although I am uncertain whether they would make berries. Only the berries are relevant for the sake of this question on spreading. Theoretically, if Arid Ferine berries are only a small portion of its diet, the chances it would spread it to new habitats are lower. Admittedly, if Arid Ferines drop their berries to the ground, and Turquoise-Helmed Lizalopes eat those, it could bypass the issue, provided the seeds can still germinate.

Unless the tree grows up in only one year or something, it should produce berries as a juvenile, like most real life trees.

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Im pretty sure its due to the fuzzy coats of setae that cover most of its bodies

Bees, moths, tarantulas, and cockchafer beetles are fuzzy, but are not warm-blooded. Meanwhile, naked mole rats are mammals, but largely hairless ectotherms. It's proposed that the extinct goat species, Myotragus, was ecothermic, despite surely having hair. Tunas and mackerel sharks are partly endothermic, which doesn't relate to having hair, but does make a point that there are gradients in endothermy and ecothermy beyond general patterns. It's useful to know just how endothermic it is, and how it's regulated.

Were you going to do any other lizalopes this generation/soon, or is this a misunderstanding from seeing the art somehow?

QUOTE (CosmoRomanticist @ Aug 14 2022, 01:42 PM)

Were you going to do any other lizalopes this generation/soon, or is this a misunderstanding from seeing the art somehow?

I have two other species in the works

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Aug 14 2022, 01:16 PM)

QUOTE Im pretty sure its due to the fuzzy coats of setae that cover most of its bodies Bees, moths, tarantulas, and cockchafer beetles are fuzzy, but are not warm-blooded. Meanwhile, naked mole rats are mammals, but largely hairless ectotherms. It's proposed that the extinct goat species, Myotragus, was ecothermic, despite surely having hair. Tunas and mackerel sharks are partly endothermic, which doesn't relate to having hair, but does make a point that there are gradients in endothermy and ecothermy beyond general patterns. It's useful to know just how endothermic it is, and how it's regulated.

That is probably something that would need to be taken to the elaborations and corrections channel on the discord, as I do not really know.

Does it eat the sprouts of seedling trees, resulting in their demise and prevention of certain species spreading as deer in real life can do?

QUOTE (colddigger @ Aug 14 2022, 08:50 PM)

Does it eat the sprouts of seedling trees, resulting in their demise and prevention of certain species spreading as deer in real life can do?

Hm, probably not, I do think it would eat the leaves of stuff like young arid ferines, but they dont try feeding on larger species because they would face competiton from larger herbivores in their range

A seedling would be very small.

But maybe that's more to bother with them it's worth for the diet aspect

QUOTE (colddigger @ Aug 14 2022, 08:00 PM)

A seedling would be very small. But maybe that's more to bother with them it's worth for the diet aspect

Whether it's worthwhile to eat might depend on its relative nutrition or palatability. In real life, younger plants, or new growth in general, tends to be tastier, most likely due to fewer defensive compounds. They might contain higher concentrations of nutrients, judging by the nutrient concentrations of "microgreens" (e.g., kale, lettuce) and one U.S. federal report. (Sample sentence: 'Young and expanding tissues generally are believedto contain higher concentrations of nutrients because these tissues require more resources to support their rapid growth(Mattson 1980; Harper 1989).")

I mean for the diet aspect in the Sagan 4 project

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: y
Art clear?: y
Gen number?: y
All limbs shown?: y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: y
Realistic additions?: y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: y
Creator?: y


Ancestor:
Listed?: y
What changes?:longer legs slightly longer tail fangs no longer visible when mouth closed ; newly hatched able to fend for themselves???
[*]External?: y
[*]Internal?: n?
[*]Behavioral/Mental?: n
[/LIST]Are Changes Realistic?: y
New Genus Needed?: n

Habitat:
Type?: 2
Flavor?: 2
Connected?: y
Wildcard?:

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Within range?: y
Exception?: n/a

Support:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Reasonable changes (if any)?: y, elaboration
Other?: n/a

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Transition Rule?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: loss of scavenger

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Does It Fit Habitat?: n/a
Reasonable changes (if any)?: n/a
Other?: n/a

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?: n
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: y elaboration
Other?: n/a

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: y
Does It Fit Habitat?: y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: n/a
Other?: n/a

Description:
Length?: good
Capitalized correctly?: y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: split
Other?: n/a

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This post has been edited by colddigger: Sep 23 2022, 08:15 PM