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Crystals would have mycelium, not true roots, and their "gametes" (which don't fuse like ours and instead form dikaryotic cells) should be two-part due to the two species that make up crystals, as they should be in the ancestors.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 13 2022, 10:29 AM)

Crystals would have mycelium, not true roots, and their "gametes" (which don't fuse like ours and instead form dikaryotic cells) should be two-part due to the two species that make up crystals, as they should be in the ancestors.

Alright, I can replace roots with mycelium network, but I’m sort of having trouble understanding what you mean with the crystals. If the “gametes” contain the genomes of two different organisms(due to their ancestry), then how exactly could these utilize sexual reproduction?

This post has been edited by OviraptorFan: Sep 13 2022, 09:14 AM

Both sets have to sexually reproduce independently. It can probably be simplified such that two spores, one of each species, are tied together. I remember @colddigger wrote something up about it at some point? But this is just how binucleids are.

Crystals from ancestry have a weird combo of root and mycelium, roots are complex things with lots of parts and layers and from what I can tell they didn't develop that. It would probably even be a detriment to have all the layers roots have.
Mycelium is on the other hand single cell wide strands perfect for a lifestyle of consuming, and is definitely a structure that crystals converge on, but not good for anchoring large tall Flora.

From what I can tell they have thick growths (vaguely root like) that could form budding and anchoring, off of which fractal branching, or just strings, of mycelium grow for the brunt of searching soil for food.

Smaller crystals would probably have very minimal "root like" parts, other than for budding or center point for all that mycelium-like growth to send nutrients and water toward.

For the Reproduction I did a visual life cycle in the doctor pickle submission, although keep in mind it is meant for that species so it may be a little bit different, but the idea is still the same.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Sep 13 2022, 11:42 AM

I've imagined that the vascular system would be made of hyphae bundled together, would that be the structure of the "roots" where present?

I hope I'll have some time to post my old Fermi flora ideas. I have various Fermi blackflora ideas that could do well in inland Fermi.

"die generation after generation" This suggests their colonization was futile, rather than inevitable for individual organisms, and significant due to the populations' colonization success.

I wonder what storage material it uses to store energy within its trunk. Glycogen, maybe? Fungi do use glycogen to store glucose.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Sep 13 2022, 11:42 AM)

I've imagined that the vascular system would be made of hyphae bundled together, would that be the structure of the "roots" where present?

Funnily enough the only real instance of a vascular system being suggested in older submissions was one of the korystal ancestors that had "webs of hatches", from what I can tell.

https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Ora_Koral_Crystal

Which is interesting.
Although not immediately sharing a branch I did take this and create a more elaborate form for the doctor pickle submission.
I wanted to discuss it more with hydro, and am still happy to have his input on it's existence. Since I suggested in my submission that one of his creations has something similar, and I'm completely willing to edit that.




The most basal form of the red tissue is a sheet, followed by a ball of cells for spreading purposes:

https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Mega_...eusdetritivorus
https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Binucleus_Icosahedron

This nonlinear form of cell growth structure, and possibly unconnected, would result in a more parenchyma like growth habit, just spongy looking not stringy, once inside the casing of green tissue.

This does not necessarily diverge from "fungus-like" as lichens have comparable structures in their fungal parts.

https://bsapubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi...732/ajb.1600403

This also allows easy explanation for the tissues of worms arising.

This red stuff would poke out from the bottom of the first crystals, but pretty quickly give rise to derived mycelial structures to enhance their ability to feed on their surroundings. I think in small crystals having large anchors would be unnecessary but in larger ones the red growths would probably be retained for the sake of remaining upright, which would explain their display in some submission artwork.

Although derived I think the hyphae does play a significant part in their survival and movement of nutrients toward their core, and could fulfill even larger roles in their body.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Sep 13 2022, 01:58 PM

On the topic of reproduction, these would have haploid, then protospore, but...

It is my understanding that korystals lack a green symbiont. Let me know if I'm wrong. So that protospore, dikaryotic still, is what moves on to create the korystal.

That I think is a fascinating development as previously it always appeared as though the green symbiont was what dictated and granted a supported shape.

The "green cells" change colors in their ancestors, like cyanobacteria. Korystals settled on red.

Okay so, im not exactly following what is going on.....what am I exactly supposed to change here and how am I supposed to change it?

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 13 2022, 04:19 PM)

"die generation after generation" This suggests their colonization was futile, rather than inevitable for individual organisms, and significant due to the populations' colonization success.

Hm, how could I reword this then? Because I was trying to imply that as the species that evolved from colonists lived in these area, individuals would be dying all the time.

So it's been settled that my sudden interpretation of

"Without any outer layer they are only consumers feeding on the microorganisms in the sand and coast. "

From
https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Ora_Koral_Crystal

Was a misunderstanding, and is likely meant that the Photosynthetic layer, which would be the outer layer of the hard symbiont, is just atrophied or missing.

Which goes more in line with the rest of the lineage, makes more sense, and means the reproductive cycle can remain more conservative to typical crystals.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 13 2022, 02:44 PM)

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Sep 13 2022, 04:19 PM) "die generation after generation" This suggests their colonization was futile, rather than inevitable for individual organisms, and significant due to the populations' colonization success. Hm, how could I reword this then? Because I was trying to imply that as the species that evolved from colonists lived in these area, individuals would be dying all the time.

I would word it to illustrate that these individuals are living out their lifecycles and building up organic matter.

QUOTE (colddigger @ Sep 13 2022, 07:26 PM)

So it's been settled that my sudden interpretation of "Without any outer layer they are only consumers feeding on the microorganisms in the sand and coast. " From https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Ora_Koral_Crystal Was a misunderstanding, and is likely meant that the Photosynthetic layer, which would be the outer layer of the hard symbiont, is just atrophied or missing. Which goes more in line with the rest of the lineage, makes more sense, and means the reproductive cycle can remain more conservative to typical crystals.

Also so as it seems this is sparking many questions, ima not touch the reproduction bit for now until we get an idea of how the korystals reproduce...

I think it's still the same as usual, but the spores are airborne for a period of time before settling into either moist soil, I had asked hydromancer about this before with his green Crystal line.

It could be different though, that's just my input