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To be honest, I’m not too sure about how this ends up pollinating its ‘host’ flora, I suppose it may be an issue more of the flora, but why would the flower spend all of its nectar on a single batch of very limited time pollinators? It isn’t exactly cheap to make, and trapping something that already only has 7 days to live for a fourteenth of that seems like, frankly, a great way to ensure it never comes across another of your kind’s flowers before it kicks it.
I feel like a more conventional flower-pollinator duo would be best in this situation, it isn’t like the nectarworm has great incentive to leave rather fast like the pollinators of other flowers that trap their pollinators for extended periods of time (iirc most of them are carrion flowers, so when the insects realize they’ve been duped they pretty much just leave, hence why the flower ‘shuts the back door and locks it’ on em).

This post has been edited by Oofle: Sep 15 2022, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Oofle @ Sep 15 2022, 09:37 PM)

To be honest, I’m not too sure about how this ends up pollinating its ‘host’ flora, I suppose it may be an issue more of the flora, but why would the flower spend all of its nectar on a single batch of very limited time pollinators? It isn’t exactly cheap to make, and trapping something that already only has 7 days to live for a fourteenth of that seems like, frankly, a great way to ensure it never comes across another of your kind’s flowers before it kicks it. I feel like a more conventional flower-pollinator duo would be best in this situation, it isn’t like the nectarworm has great incentive to leave rather fast like the pollinators of other flowers that trap their pollinators for extended periods of time (iirc most of them are carrion flowers, so when the insects realize they’ve been duped they pretty much just leave, hence why the flower ‘shuts the back door and locks it’ on em).

So wait, how exactly should this relationship change? I wanted to make these two taxa very similar to their ancestors still, just adapted to these new environments.

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Sep 15 2022, 08:47 PM)

QUOTE (Oofle @ Sep 15 2022, 09:37 PM) To be honest, I’m not too sure about how this ends up pollinating its ‘host’ flora, I suppose it may be an issue more of the flora, but why would the flower spend all of its nectar on a single batch of very limited time pollinators? It isn’t exactly cheap to make, and trapping something that already only has 7 days to live for a fourteenth of that seems like, frankly, a great way to ensure it never comes across another of your kind’s flowers before it kicks it. I feel like a more conventional flower-pollinator duo would be best in this situation, it isn’t like the nectarworm has great incentive to leave rather fast like the pollinators of other flowers that trap their pollinators for extended periods of time (iirc most of them are carrion flowers, so when the insects realize they’ve been duped they pretty much just leave, hence why the flower ‘shuts the back door and locks it’ on em). So wait, how exactly should this relationship change? I wanted to make these two taxa very similar to their ancestors still, just adapted to these new environments.

Well, probably not a lot, I just think the flower shouldn’t shut over them (though I will admit I’m not an expert so I do suppose you could keep it if you want to unless someone else says otherwise) so they can enter and exit freely and pollinate them faster.

How far apart are the host Flora?

If it's a distance from one surviving host to another then forcing the worm to stuff itself makes sense, and then making sure your pollen takes up as much surface area as possible so at least something makes it makes sense too.

Added bonus that if you take all the surfaces area then competition has less surface area to take.

However this may result in your pollen becoming the new surface to use.

QUOTE (colddigger @ Sep 16 2022, 10:56 AM)

How far apart are the host Flora? If it's a distance from one surviving host to another then forcing the worm to stuff itself makes sense, and then making sure your pollen takes up as much surface area as possible so at least something makes it makes sense too. Added bonus that if you take all the surfaces area then competition has less surface area to take. However this may result in your pollen becoming the new surface to use.

Lesser Steppespires at the time the evolved as well as the Inland Nectarworm's evolutrion form small but dense grooves. The main thing about these grooves, however, is that they consist of a single parent and its many offspring since the nuts do not get eaten by any frugivores and thus can only have the seeds fall down to the ground close to the parent when the nut decomposes. Meanwhile, the grooves of Lesser Steppespires are often widely spaced apart, so making sure the inland nectarworms drink up all the available nectar in a groove means they will fly over to an unrelated groove and thus prevent inbreeding of the species.

I don't think that would prevent inbreeding, doing it the way you described.

But it would allow groves to still exchange pollen, eventually. Inbreeding a bit is probably not super important to avoid as long as some of the nuts are pollinated from another grove.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Sep 21 2022, 08:12 PM

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Art:

Art Present?: y
Art clear?: y
Gen number?: y
All limbs shown?: y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: y
Realistic additions?: y

Name:
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Creator?: y

Ancestor:
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What changes?:
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Internal?:
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Habitat:
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Size:
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Within range?: y
Exception?:

Support:
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Respiration:
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Thermoregulation:
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