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"live off of" is superfluous. See Merriam-Webster's definition:

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Definition of off of : OFF "The of is often criticized as superfluous, a comment that is irrelevant because off of is an idiom. It is much more common in speech than in edited writing and is more common in American English than in British.

Here's more information: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions...cally-incorrect

In short, using "off of" is nonstandard American English, though it's an expression with a long history. Given the fairly formal and proper grammar of Sagan 4 entries, I would recommend changing that to "off", but it's such a minor nonstandard variation or error it should be fine if you don't alter it.

The art looks very nice. I like the multiple surface textures.

Are the barbs on the achenes microscopic? I don't see any barbs but one on the "tail", not even as tiny, barely-visible fuzz. There are ways to justify the barbs not being visible, if you don't want to alter the artwork, such as by saying the barbs only grow in the final stage of achene growth and the sample is slightly immature, or that the barbs are easily damaged when collected and this meant to depict a collected specimen.

changed to hook, I changed what it was while drawing and forgot to edit the description

I wonder if we'll see some offshoots that will adapt to other flora types, or if black flora are inherently better for them in regards to choice in hosts.

I do have plans for descendants, though black flora-eaters will probably be the most diverse.

Good to review?

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name: Woodyshroom
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: Fungilignum obumbratio
Creator?: Disgustedorite

Ancestor: Supershrooms
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Considerably larger, black color, produces spore achenes
• Internal?: Cellulose wood
• Behavioral/Mental?: N/A

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why) Already added

Habitat: Vivus Boreal, Vivus Temperate Rainforest, Darwin Temperate Woodland, Darwin Temperate Rainforest, Dixon-Darwin Boreal, Huggs Temperate Riparian, Bone Temperate Riparian, Irinya Temperate Riparian
Type?: Temperate, Mountain (2/3)
Flavor?: Woodland, Rainforest, Wetlands (3/3)
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: N

Size: 1 m wide
Same as Ancestor?: N
Within range?: N
Exception?: Y (Open niche)

Support: Cell Wall (Cellulose)
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y
Other?:

Diet: Detritivore
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: N/A
Reasonable changes (if any)?:

Respiration: Passive
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?:
Other?:

Thermoregulation: Ectotherm
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?:
Reasonable changes (if any)?:
Other?:

Reproduction: Sexual (Conjugation), Asexual (Fruiting Bodies, Spore Achenes)
Same as Ancestor?: N
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y (Spore Achenes and Conjugation)
Other?:

Description:
Length?: Needs some improvement, but almost there.
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split
Other?: Just need a small explanation/elaboration of Conjugation for new people to understand so it doesn't get lost by mistake.

Status:Pending(See Description Other)

I don't think explaining sexual conjugation is necessary. It's easily googleable.

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Jul 6 2021, 07:55 PM)

I don't think explaining sexual conjugation is necessary. It's easily googleable.

I feel like its still a good idea to add it in here. So that it is not necessary for someone to look it up on google.

[] The woodyshroom can exchange genes while in mycelial form through sexual conjugation. []

But they're sticky balls, not fungus. Their main body are the shrooms themselves while the root system is specialized for consumption.

Stickyballs didn't have roots in the first place and shrooms were never vascular. Stickyballs were always just cell colonies (Hydro said such when Irinya protested them replacing their ancestor), and shrooms are an independent origin of multicellular plant life. There is no reason why their "digesting roots" (which honestly sounds like something Hydro would make up to describe mycelium if he doesn't know the name) would be anything like vascular roots. I'll go ahead and rewrite that part, though. @colddigger

I think the stickyball would have something more like liverwort rhizoids rather than full blown mycelium,
The shrooms would have something more similar superficially.

I'm mainly curious about how it comes about that they achieve sexual reproduction through their rhizoids seemingly in convergence with mushrooms. Mushroom sex being rather complex.

Maybe the formation of a denser cluster of cells derived from the spore forming clusters of their very old ancestors, intermingling Like a pair of leopard slugs and allowing haploid cells to cross and merge.
That could be fun because you would be able to tell which shroom is clonal and which not because the new generation would have that woody nut at the base that they grow out of.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Jul 6 2021, 07:58 PM

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Jul 6 2021, 05:01 PM)

QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Jul 6 2021, 07:55 PM) I don't think explaining sexual conjugation is necessary. It's easily googleable. I feel like its still a good idea to add it in here. So that it is not necessary for someone to look it up on google.

Precisely

>Double checks<

Approved

QUOTE (colddigger @ Jul 6 2021, 10:51 PM)

I think the stickyball would have something more like liverwort rhizoids rather than full blown mycelium, The shrooms would have something more similar superficially. I'm mainly curious about how it comes about that they achieve sexual reproduction through their rhizoids seemingly in convergence with mushrooms. Mushroom sex being rather complex. Maybe the formation of a denser cluster of cells derived from the spore forming clusters of their very old ancestors, intermingling Like a pair of leopard slugs and allowing haploid cells to cross and merge. That could be fun because you would be able to tell which shroom is clonal and which not because the new generation would have that woody nut at the base that they grow out of.

As stated by Hydro when Irinya protested stickyballs replacing their ancestor, stickyballs are a ball of undifferentiated cells. They do not have rhizomes.

Could you elaborate on what you mean with that intermingling paragraph?

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Jul 7 2021, 12:20 AM)

QUOTE (OviraptorFan @ Jul 6 2021, 05:01 PM) QUOTE (Disgustedorite @ Jul 6 2021, 07:55 PM) I don't think explaining sexual conjugation is necessary. It's easily googleable. I feel like its still a good idea to add it in here. So that it is not necessary for someone to look it up on google. Precisely >Double checks< Approved

Please read the conversation going on. A different issue came up.

True, I was saying stickyballs like in reference to the group of descendents but that isn't a fair comparison due to the diversity, and quite a few wouldn't have any either.

Rhizoids, the little hairs on the bottom of liverworts when you pull them up, totally different from rhizomes like irises and grass. Hyphae from fungus actually do qualify as multicellular forms of it anyway.

https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Mawshroom

Looking at the mawshroom the survivability of such a thing with so little surface area is, questionable. So having hyphae or mycelium analogue, does make sense. The difference being that the main body of a fungal mycelium is the mycelium itself, while the main body of the Mawshroom and its descendents are the more structured above ground form. Descriptions from so many ancestors of the Supershrooms make references to that.
Apparently they are permanent structures, unlike Earthly mushrooms, which is... interesting, and a nifty distinction in this convergent evolution.
I dunno, I like it.



So like
Taking advantage of the budding behavior along the hyphae forming new clonal individuals,
and that the shroom body is derived from the stickyball sphere, which itself is derived from the special spore producing structures of the Beach Puffs (which if there was genetic exchange it would be during these special reproductive times right?),
it would make sense that genetic exchange would be derived from that lineage of their behaviors,
so on contact the hyphae would begin the budding process to form a body but instead of shroom formation it would shift back into the beach puff behavior of a clump of cells attempting reproduction in that fashion.
That would result in a tiny wood ball made of two halves intermingling, and resulting in a genetically distinct shroom growing out of it.

I guess it sort of assumes that genetic exchange would happen in the Beach Puff https://sagan4alpha.miraheze.org/wiki/Beach_Puffs during puff formation, since it says that the individual cells gather together to form the puff balls, rather than the puff balls growing from a single distinct cell.

This post has been edited by colddigger: Jul 6 2021, 11:23 PM

Okay, I think I fixed its reproduction.