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I'm not sure sure if a 2 meter-long ectotherm with long legs would be particularly at risk of overheating.

It's hard to guess the climate of Sagan 4 now judging by its level of ice caps: Earth maps tend to distort the size of Antarctica, after all, and it's surprisingly hard to find a map formatted like Sagan 4's that also includes ice caps. It's also hard to figure out the exact latitude of the map relative to Earth's landmasses, but, assuming the same average climate as Earth (not guaranteed), Fermi Temperate is probably roughly between -40 to -50 degrees latitude, or 40-50 degrees south. The climate of Fermi Temperate now might be close to that of the city of Rio Gallegos in Argentina. If so, the hottest temperature would be 68 degrees. (Rio Gallegos was selected due to having being fairly cold, temperate, and semi-arid.)

Judging by a hard hat test (as a back-of-the-envelope calculation, of course) its black coloration would raise its interior temperature by about 9.1 degrees Fahrenheit, for an internal temperature of about 75.1 degrees Fahrenheit (~23.94 Celsius). For comparison,savanna monitors. (large reptiles: dinosaurs would be a better comparison, but we don't have as much data) die at about 107.6 degrees Fahrenheit (42 degrees Celsius). It's possible that its tolerance of hot temperatures is lower than a savanna monitor's, of course, and if it just ran from a predator in the hottest day of summer it might be extra-hot. Still...the description says it's the young that tend to flee, and being smaller, they would probably cool down faster. There's also the fact its body wrinkles and big skin patch, which seems dewlap-shaped, would disperse heat.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Oct 7 2021, 07:20 PM)

I'm not sure sure if a 2 meter-long ectotherm with long legs would be particularly at risk of overheating. It's hard to guess the climate of Sagan 4 now judging by its level of ice caps: Earth maps tend to distort the size of Antarctica, after all, and it's surprisingly hard to find a map formatted like Sagan 4's that also includes ice caps. It's also hard to figure out the exact latitude of the map relative to Earth's landmasses, but, assuming the same average climate as Earth (not guaranteed), Fermi Temperate is probably roughly between -40 to -50 degrees latitude, or 40-50 degrees south. The climate of Fermi Temperate now might be close to that of the city of Rio Gallegos in Argentina. If so, the hottest temperature would be 68 degrees. (Rio Gallegos was selected due to having being fairly cold, temperate, and semi-arid.) Judging by a hard hat test (as a back-of-the-envelope calculation, of course) its black coloration would raise its interior temperature by about 9.1 degrees Fahrenheit, for an internal temperature of about 75.1 degrees Fahrenheit (~23.94 Celsius). For comparison,savanna monitors. (large reptiles: dinosaurs would be a better comparison, but we don't have as much data) die at about 107.6 degrees Fahrenheit (42 degrees Celsius). It's possible that its tolerance of hot temperatures is lower than a savanna monitor's, of course, and if it just ran from a predator in the hottest day of summer it might be extra-hot. Still...the description says it's the young that tend to flee, and being smaller, they would probably cool down faster. There's also the fact its body wrinkles and big skin patch, which seems dewlap-shaped, would disperse heat.

What about in the Fermi Desert though? Also does that mean Aardoorns will not need to worry about overheating too much at the beach?

I believe another member once stated to me, in the comments for a submission, that Fermi Desert isn't that hot, but it is very dry. However, that was last Week, I believe. I figure the beach would be cooler than the desert, if it has sea breezes. It likely has greater moisture levels than Fermi Desert, which should surely support more extensive tree cover and therefore shade.

Still...Fermi Desert, assuming the previous assumptions, would still be fairly cool.
On the other hand...Fermi Beach and Fermi Desert do have black sand. That might affect temperatures, at least on its feet.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Oct 7 2021, 10:54 PM)

I believe another member once stated to me, in the comments for a submission, that Fermi Desert isn't that hot, but it is very dry. However, that was last Week, I believe. I figure the beach would be cooler than the desert, if it has sea breezes. It likely has greater moisture levels than Fermi Desert, which should surely support more extensive tree cover and therefore shade. Still...Fermi Desert, assuming the previous assumptions, would still be fairly cool. On the other hand...Fermi Beach and Fermi Desert do have black sand. That might affect temperatures, at least on its feet.

So.....Do I need to edit anything?...Or is the species fine as it is?

This post has been edited by OviraptorFan: Oct 7 2021, 08:28 PM

So far as I can guess, the black sand wouldn't affect temperatures so greatly it would be at risk of overheating, again assuming previous assumptions. I doubt that, even if the assumptions were slightly off, this fauna would get to a body temperature of 107.4 degrees. It would probably just be 80-90 F if the calculations were off, which shouldn't be deadly and in fact overlaps with savanna monitors' maintained active temperatures.

So, in short...yes, edit it. It wouldn't risk overheating unless it prefers cooler body temperatures than a savana monitor, so there would be no purpose in the stated cooling-off behaviors. It could still go to the shade if the UV levels are very high, I suppose, and it could go into the water sometimes just as a change of pace if it's smart enough to be curious about things.

Incidentally, there should also be a parenthesis after the "occasionally" for the Cleaner Borvermid.

EDIT: Fixed a very rare typo.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Oct 8 2021, 01:23 AM)

So far as I can guess, the black sand wouldn't affect temperatures so greatly it would be at risk of overheating, again assuming previous assumptions. I doubt that, even if the assumptions were slightly off, this fauna would get to a body temperature of 107.4 degrees. It would probably just be 80-90 F if the calculations were off, which shouldn't be deadly and in fact overlaps with savanna monitors' maintained active temperatures. So, in short...yes, edit it. It wouldn't risk overheating unless it prefers cooler body temperatures than a savanaa monitor, so there would be no purpose in the stated cooling-off behaviors. It could still go to the shade if the UV levels are very high, I suppose, and it could go into the water sometimes just as a change of pace if it's smart enough to be curious about things. Incidentally, there should also be a parenthesis after the "occasionally" for the Cleaner Borvermid.

Alright, made the edits! How does it look? I’m also gonna leave the cooling down part here in case it proves nessecary .

“Being dark in coloration and active in the day time does mean the aardoorn risks overheating. Depending on where they live, they solve this problem by either taking a brief swim in the ocean or resting in shade provided by trees to cool down.”

I suppose it could get uncomfortably hot if it fought off a predator on a particularly hot day, warranting that detail.

"temperature beach"
Temperate.

I briefly considered bringing up whether there were even enough bug-equivalents in a temperate beach or desert to sustain a 2-meter-long herbivore, but then I realized sloth bears (one of the biggest insectiores), grow to that size, and being an ectotherm would probably reduce its energy needs. It probably helps that much of Fermi Desert and Fermi Temperate Beach's large fauna diversity was before some of those genus groups showed up, so the resource might be relatively untapped. This could be a useful consideration if you intend to make a larger or warmer-blooded descendant, though.

QUOTE (Coolsteph @ Nov 7 2021, 11:44 AM)

I suppose it could get uncomfortably hot if it fought off a predator on a particularly hot day, warranting that detail. "temperature beach" Temperate. I briefly considered bringing up whether there were even enough bug-equivalents in a temperate beach or desert to sustain a 2-meter-long herbivore, but then I realized sloth bears (one of the biggest insectiores), grow to that size, and being an ectotherm would probably reduce its energy needs. It probably helps that much of Fermi Desert and Fermi Temperate Beach's large fauna diversity was before some of those genus groups showed up, so the resource might be relatively untapped. This could be a useful consideration if you intend to make a larger or warmer-blooded descendant, though.

I fixed the typo, also Im not currently considering making a descendant of this guy as of now. Did you want to?

I don't have any plans for making a descendant of this for the moment. If Fermi sinks beneath the sea or becomes a bunch of tiny islands the next Generation, it could interfere with any ideas for it anyway. It was simply something that came up while I was going over it one more time before resurfacing it for approval.

Though I am not officially authorized for approving Alpha organisms, my assessment might accelerate the process. This has been well-discussed, been available for review for a long time, and had very few problems to begin with.

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Unofficial Opinion:

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: Y
Creator?: Y

Ancestor:
Listed?: Y
What changes?: Osteoderms, longer spikes, head shape changes, neck and dewlap changes, longer tail, longer legs an thumbs, hoof-like toes, ovoviviparity
External?: Y
Internal?: Y
Behavioral/Mental?: Y; exact degree unclear due to little information on its ancestor's beaviors.
Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: (If yes, list why)No

Habitat:
Type?: Temperate
Flavor?: Desert, Beach
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?:

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Within range?: Y
Exception?: N

Support:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Transition Rule?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y (mostly "insectivore", some berries, which appear rare parts of its diet)

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Viviparity has evolved from oviparity more than 100 times in reptiles, and a few amphibians are live-bearing in some way. On a more minor note, that many thornbacks have developed reprouctive modes along similar lines suggests it is easy for the lineage to evolve.
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Excellent.
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split (?)
Other?: N/A

Unofficial Opinion: Suggested approval.

Suggestion accepted