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I have to admit, while the perspective is certainly ambitious of you, I feel like maybe the art quality on this submission, in compared to your other submissions, has gone down somewhat.

I think it's the shell in particular that looks off compared to the rest of the lineart.

I feel like the legs should be stockier to support the heavy shell covering their bodies, it currently looks like the sauceback needs to exert a lot of energy to just not collapse. Also, Their large head means the sauceback should probably have larger neck muscles to support it.

I think it would be a good idea to do a profile view of this species as well. So we can tell how long the tail is. It should probably be decently long to act as a counter balance.

On the matter of the shell and weight I think it may be a good idea to elaborate on the structure of the object.

For example, you can have ribbing inside with length perpendicular to the wall of the shell that would add significant support strength, while the wall of the shell remains very thin.

It would not act as a protective covering against blunt force or piercing, but it would protect against elements as an umbrella would.

My big wonder is it acting as a parachute during strong winds. Like an umbrella.

BigL Tropical Beach isn't capitalized

I've updated the description to address most of what was said

Regarding the quality of the lineart:

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Dec 14 2021, 01:24 AM)

I have to admit, while the perspective is certainly ambitious of you, I feel like maybe the art quality on this submission, in compared to your other submissions, has gone down somewhat. I think it's the shell in particular that looks off compared to the rest of the lineart.

*Block's Shelly's ears*

Someone sees Shelly and thinks she's pretty and a great work of art... is not something I expect to happen. She's not much of a looker, we all know it (except Shelly herself because she's blind, which is a good thing considering the alternative of having to stare at her own reflection all day).


But here's what I do hope will happen:
Some new people - months from now - having never heard of Shelly, see her thumbnail in the generation page, and they already see a shelled sauceback on the shore. When they expand the image, they see the rocky shell and tail club, they notice her clawed larva crawling on the bank of her shell, they see her whiskers over the water, and her counter shading. Before reading a single word in the wiki page they already get a strong impression of what Shelly is about, and it is going to be mostly accurate without a single diagram, all from the one cartoonish image. Some of those features gives them an idea to expand upon, and give shelly interesting descendants.

This post has been edited by Papainmanis: Dec 15 2021, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Papainmanis @ Dec 15 2021, 07:30 PM)

I've updated the description to address most of what was said Regarding the quality of the lineart: QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Dec 14 2021, 01:24 AM) I have to admit, while the perspective is certainly ambitious of you, I feel like maybe the art quality on this submission, in compared to your other submissions, has gone down somewhat. I think it's the shell in particular that looks off compared to the rest of the lineart. *Block's Shelly's ears* Someone sees Shelly and thinks she's pretty and a great work of art... is not something I expect to happen. She's not much of a looker, we all know it (except Shelly herself because she's blind, which is a good thing considering the alternative of having to stare at her own reflection all day). But here's what I do hope will happen: Some new people - months from now - having never heard of Shelly, see her thumbnail in the generation page, and they already see a shelled sauceback on the shore. When they expand the image, they see the rocky shell and tail club, they notice her clawed larva crawling on the bank of her shell, they see her whiskers over the water, and her counter shading. Before reading a single word in the wiki page they already get a strong impression of what Shelly is about, and it is going to be mostly accurate without a single diagram, all from the one cartoonish image. Some of those features gives them an idea to expand upon, and give shelly interesting descendants.

That didn't answer anything Cheatsy addressed.

Also the rockshorian is not guaranteed to form a lineage, there are plenty of species that have potential to form lineages but do not or do it later. Take the Side Sprig, a close cousin to the skuniks. It had the potential to have produced a great lineage but it ended up dying out and as such is only known now as an interesting split from the ancestral stock of the skuniks.

Also, you still have not addressed my concerns regarding its anatomy.

QUOTE (Papainmanis @ Dec 15 2021, 04:30 PM)

I've updated the description to address most of what was said Regarding the quality of the lineart: QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Dec 14 2021, 01:24 AM) I have to admit, while the perspective is certainly ambitious of you, I feel like maybe the art quality on this submission, in compared to your other submissions, has gone down somewhat. I think it's the shell in particular that looks off compared to the rest of the lineart. *Block's Shelly's ears* Someone sees Shelly and thinks she's pretty and a great work of art... is not something I expect to happen. She's not much of a looker, we all know it (except Shelly herself because she's blind, which is a good thing considering the alternative of having to stare at her own reflection all day). But here's what I do hope will happen: Some new people - months from now - having never heard of Shelly, see her thumbnail in the generation page, and they already see a shelled sauceback on the shore. When they expand the image, they see the rocky shell and tail club, they notice her clawed larva crawling on the bank of her shell, they see her whiskers over the water, and her counter shading. Before reading a single word in the wiki page they already get a strong impression of what Shelly is about, and it is going to be mostly accurate without a single diagram, all from the one cartoonish image. Some of those features gives them an idea to expand upon, and give shelly interesting descendants.

Seriously, deflecting criticism won't get you anywhere on here and your reply did not answer my question in the slightest.

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Dec 17 2021, 02:21 AM)

Seriously, deflecting criticism won't get you anywhere on here and your reply did not answer my question in the slightest.

This:

QUOTE (TheBigDeepCheatsy @ Dec 14 2021, 01:24 AM)

I have to admit, while the perspective is certainly ambitious of you, I feel like maybe the art quality on this submission, in compared to your other submissions, has gone down somewhat. I think it's the shell in particular that looks off compared to the rest of the lineart.

You don't like the art, I don't entirely disagree but I've pointed out it's merit. What exactly is the question there? I don't have any information about what to do with you disliking it, I'd say Sagan 4 has both plenty that is better than it and plenty that is worst then it, though it's probably on the lower-mid range.

This post has been edited by Papainmanis: Dec 16 2021, 06:54 PM

I don't think the art's that bad. It takes a second to "click" but it does click. A supplemental diagram would be nice though. I do think she ought to be lower in the water though, maybe with her head under the surface just to complete the illusion from a distance that this is a rock sitting just off shore.

I think the image used as the main image is fine, it has all the parts and even displays the thing performing in it's environment.
One thing I would suggest is emphasizing the water break on the legs, maybe some ripple outline.

A second image, from the side would be good, purely for the purpose of better understanding body part ratios, and with it a window can be put through the shell to directly show attachment.

Do you think you could do a profile view of the Rockshorian? As well as perhaps a cross section of the Rockshorian to show the interior of the "shell"?

Outcrop Drama:



I think she's into the one on the left

Approval Checklist:
Art:
Art Present?: Y
Art clear?: Y
Gen number?: Y
All limbs shown?: Y
Reasonably Comparable to Ancestor?: Y
Realistic additions?: Y

Name:
Binomial Taxonomic Name?: Y
Creator?: Y

Ancestor:
Listed?: Y
What changes?:

• External?: Rock camouflage, Tail club
• Internal?: Salt excretions, Tendons,
• Behavioral/Mental?: Sit -and-wait hunting strategy

Are Changes Realistic?: Y
New Genus Needed?: Y (done)

Habitat:
Type?: 2/2
Flavor?: 1/3
Connected?: Y
Wildcard?: N

Size:
Same as Ancestor?: N
Within range?: Y
Exception?: N/A

Support:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: Y
Other?: N/A

Diet:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Transition Rule?: NA
Reasonable changes (if any)?: NA

Respiration:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Thermoregulation:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Reproduction:
Same as Ancestor?: Y
Does It Fit Habitat?: Y
Reasonable changes (if any)?: N/A
Other?: N/A

Description:
Length?: Good
Capitalized correctly?: Y
Replace/Split from ancestor?: Split
Other?: NA

Opinion: Approved